Could floyd block a jab?

Yea a good jabber would give him problems since his defense is mostly focused on blocking/rolling right hands and left hooks and then countering.

 

Imagine what DLH would have done to Floyd in his prime(he was about 10 years past it and 4 years older than Floyd) ..A great jab is the way to beat Floyd .. Hearns

 

I’ve always thought a great jab would trouble Floyd.

Easier said than done, but I think you approach Floyd’s shoulder roll by doing the following.

1. Fight upright.
2. Aim your jab at his left shoulder. Take a little steam off the punch in order to maintain balance whenever it doesn’t land.

I believe this approach will be effective in pinning Floyd’s left arm to his body, rendering it useless. At the same time, maintaining proper balance will eliminate opportunities for him to roll and throw his sharp right hand counter. This should enable Floyd’s opponent to steal a few early rounds on activity alone.

Once Floyd’s had enough of the opponent banging on his shoulder, I’d expect him to open himself up. Once he does, I think it improves the opponent’s chance for success since Floyd is no longer in his comfort zone. Hopefully the opponent can rough him up and possesses a sturdy chin to stand up to a punch he may not see coming.

According to his record, 49 have tried and 49 have failed. This is just my 2 cents.

 

Floyd still beats DLH in his prime. He had too many tools.

 

Floyd could block a jab. The philly shell uses the right hand to parry or slap the jab away but that of course will open you up to left hooks. It's preferable to move away from the jab rather than parry it for this reason. Hence the "Runner" insult fans always seem to want to throw at him.

 

I disagree with your analysis. The jab is probably not going to do much real work against a philly shell guy and unless you have a ferociously powerful jab hitting a guy in the arms with 8 oz gloves is not worth the risk of taking a cross counter in return. Though jabbing to the body does have it's uses. It's how Mosley cracked him with the right after Floyd squared up to catch the body jab. https://i.imgur.com/CrZHqMv.mp4

Though feinting the jab is a great way to take space from Floyd and hopefully put him on the ropes where the left hook when doubled and tripled up can totally take away his ability to counter with the right hand., since he needs to keep it at home for defense. Augustus did a pretty good job of this in their fight eventaully forcing Folyd to adopt the high guard to deal with it. https://i.imgur.com/iFQ8Cnk.mp4 and https://i.imgur.com/QLimdac.mp4 which eventually leads to https://i.imgur.com/8hijCga.mp4.

But the best example of beating the Philly shell was Chavez in his second fight with uncle Roger. Full fight breakdown here https://imgur.com/gallery/Oxp4a

 

Catching or parrying a jab opens you to left hook if, and only if, you reach for them. If you let the jab come to you it doesn't open you up at all.

 

Of course he could parry or slip the jab. However, it was the punch he was most available for. Big punches very seldomly would land on Floyd

 

I think Hoya edged him in the fight.

Peak De la Hoya would have won no doubt.

 

You should work for Ring Magazine.

Great work

 

I’ll have to check these videos out. I just don’t see Floyd as unbeatable, Philly shell and all.

 

Anybody know a guy who could help this out?

Floyd isn't unbeatable by any stretch but he is very adaptable and will change tactics mid fight and turn the tide. The left Hook is the key to getting him out of that Philly shell A game. Weather a fighter is good enough to adapt to Floyd's B game is another question. A question with a very limited number of answers.

 

Escudo,

Great breakdown. I noticed a few things. First, it looked like Mayweather was playing with Augustus. He seemed to be letting Augustus lead so that he could exploit counter punch opportunities. Another thing I noticed in the Augustus fight is the Philly she’ll becomes a liability whenever Floyd squares up. It not only degrades his defense, but it also puts him in position to have no sting on the right hand.

I never thought about the hook as a Philly shell breaker, but your analysis shows the way to do it. The problem I see with this strategy is that most “hookers” prefer to be set while throw their bread and butter, to maximize leverage on the punch. As a result, many “hookers” do not develop footwork needed to cutoff a prime mover like Roger and get into position to effectively double and triple up on the hook. For a prime ATG JCC, this was not the case.

I understand how you might doubt the jab against the Philly shell. However, the jab does adhere to your mantra that advises to refrain from throwing your own right hand in order to deny opportunities for a Philly shell fighter to throw their right hand counter. I also believe that by aiming the jab for the shoulder and lower, including the body, you decrease the probability of the Philly shell fighter being able to parry your jab with his shoulder to throw off your balance and create the opening for his right hand counters.

While video evidence proves an effective hook keeps the Philly shell right hand at home, is it not as effective to use the jab, while maintaining proper balance, and pocketing your own right hand to keep the Philly shell fighter’s left hand, and by extension right hand out of action?

Are you still working on your e-book?

 

The jab does adhere to this mantra of breaking down the shell. But Floyd has proven to have an answer for the body jab as well and he displayed it in the Mosley fight. Be forgiving because this was one of my earliest breakdowns https://imgur.com/gallery/WgUIa But this shows Mayweather upon relising it was the body jab that got him caught in round 2 used that punch as a signal to fire back. He countered Mosley every time he threw it.

And that brings us back to Floyd and why I rate him so highly. I've 3 breakdowns on him at different points in his career and every fight usually around round 3 or 4 he changes his stlye to totally take away what his opponent has been doing sucessfully. There was nobody in his own era who could make a proper adjustment to find a second option that really worked well aside from JLC in the first fight. A fight I still need to write an article about.

BTW still working on the book and it has taken a very interesting turn. So @GlaukosTheHammer has been helping out a lot with my research on ancient Greek and Roman boxers. The other day I found out about the IBRO http://www.ibroresearch.com/ and contacted the to try and learn more. In my research I came across severeral reference to a russian boxing scene existing in the middle ages. I went to the IBRO with my findings and they offered to put me in contact with a Russian astrophysicist who is a part of their group. He had no idea what I was talking about. Had never heard of a boxing scene between 393AD when the church banned it and before the LPR scene in england. They are now working with me to confirm some of my sources. I'm now about 200 pages deep into a Russian history book written around 1000AD.

My little "History of Violence" has become a damn PHD thesis completely by accident. I've also been contacted by a literary agent, some peoplefrom the boxing photography world and so on. I can't wait to just finish the research and be able to watch fights and write again.