Could Floyd Patterson replicate Joe Louis title reign?

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yeah...Buddy Baer had punching power in the Ingo territory along with a massive size and reach advantage.
     
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  2. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Galento.
     
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  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Still don't see him beating Floyd at that point in time.
    Floyd s youth win s the day
     
  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Do you know that max retired the following year and didn't fight again till the latter 40 s?
     
  5. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Yes, because of the war. Max was only 33 and had just slaughtered the solid Adolf Heuser a year after the Louis fight. I’m pretty sure Max negotiated for a Louis trilogy fight around 39-40, had the war not broken out I could see Max remaining at the top for a few more years.
     
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  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    So you don't see a younger faster Patterson beating the ageing max?
     
  7. Peteychops

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    Conn. Possibly Tommy Farr, and Schmeling with the sneaky right hand would be all wrong for him.
     
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    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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  9. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    If he’s anything close to what he was against Louis, then yes. I don’t see evidence for a decline.
     
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  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    He was battered in one round by Joe.
     
  11. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Because he turned against the ropes and got his back shattered by Joe, I doubt Louis gets Max out of there in one without that happening.

    I was referring to the first fight.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

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    Floyd would be on the tour back then…
     
  13. BCS8

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    With his chin? LOL
     
  14. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    But the first fight wasn't a title fight which is what we're putting Floyd against.
    And I don't think max is getting out of there even if he hadn't turned his back.
    That was Joe Louis on absolutel fire!
     
  15. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    There's no basis to say Schmeling had declined. What openings he could find, he exploited. No one gets up to fight Louis with a broken back.
    Louis finished many other prime fighters in a single round. Hardly means anything.

    As for the thread question, nope. Patterson had losses to Maxim and Johansen. It's not like his only hick ups were against Liston and Ali. His opposition during his prime also wasn't that strong either. 43 year old Moore, then you run out of names until Johansen and a somewhat diminished Machen.
    He then beats Chuvalo and arguably defeated Quarry and Ellis and also beats Bonavena, all very good performances for a fighter as far down the line as Patterson.
    But the point remains, he was beatable, and by fighters who weren't on his level.
    Conn, Schmeling, M. Baer and Walcott beat him but Floyd could come back and avenge some of these losses.
    Nova, B. Baer, Retzlaff, Galento would be dangerous.
    Then there's other solid boxers who could beat pre or post prime versions of him, like Farr, Braddock, Pastor, Godoy and Maurielo.
    Patterson did have good longevity, but he didn't have anywhere close the amount of wins over contenders as Louis did. That probably answers the question.
    As great as Patterson was, asking him to go 25-0 in defenses or to triple his amount of ranked wins is asking too much from him.