Could Fury have beaten prime Wladimir?

I would have to say... Wlad would win in his prime, better experience, better skill, and doesn't horrible accuracy like Tyson Fury did (throwing that uppercut, hitting himself XDDDD)

 

Yes. Mariusz Wach lol. Wlad won another stinker against horrible opposition by holding. I stand corrected. It wasn't as bad as His loss to Fury however. That was a disgrace to both men. If memory serves, something like 85 punches were landed in those 12 rounds. The combined total for both fighters. Thank God there wasn't a rematch.

 

Why? That's what is so good about boxing. You never know what's going to happen.

 

Fury's footwork, body movement, and angles would always frustrate Wlad. He'd be a live dog against prime Wlad, at the very least.

 

No I don't think he could. The fighters that Wlad lost to before Fury were all big punchers and Fury just isn't a big puncher. I think prime Wlad batters Fury to a mid rounds stoppage.

 

Fury would have always given wlad problems prime for prime.

 

It all depends on if Fury gets to use his Nandrolone like he did in the Klitschko fight. Even then, he barely won so I doubt it

 

However Wlad uppercut himself too

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lordlosh,

There isn’t plenty to suggest that he’d have done that at all.

Complete BS?

Really?

How many times have you seen Wlad lose his temper and swear?

Tyson also told him that he looked old with grey hair, which saw Wlad immediately go and get a haircut where he shaved the sides of his head. When have you ever seen anything like that before?

Having Manny there was great for him. But Manny couldn’t get in the ring with him. He was cautious in many of his fights with Manny there.

If you seriously think that Tyson is a bum, then I suggest that you go and find another sport to follow.

He was declined. But it was a low paced fight where they went feint for feint. He wasn’t just operating at 50%. That’s a gross exaggeration.

He could pull the trigger in the Pulev and Joshua fights, and Vitali admits that he gave him the wrong advice during his fight with Joshua.

Who’s made him out to be a god?

Who’s said that he schooled anyone?

You have invented this in your mind.

Again, it was a very low paced fight. Tyson kept feinting him, and Wlad couldn’t get set. The fight didn’t affect Wlad’s stamina in any way.

It’s not obvious at all. It was Tyson’s style that slowed his punch output down. His punch output was much higher against Joshua.

Wlad was cautious in many of his fights.

Your posts always make me laugh.

Ran scared from it?

Ha!

He’d just beaten Wlad in Germany. And according to you, Wlad was shot. So why on earth would he have feared fighting a shot guy who he’d already beaten?

He was so scared of rematching a guy who he’d already beaten, it sent him into a breakdown?

That’s what you’re going with?

Why will you laugh at me if Joshua destroys him?

Because you don’t like what I’ve said?

You sound like a 10 year old kid.

Again, all this is in your imagination. And you’ve said that Wlad was shot in the first fight. So then why would he have done any better in the rematch?

Make up your mind.

We’ve never seen Tyson at 40, so we can’t give a prediction at this stage.

I never said that he couldn’t do the job.

If you read my earlier posts, I said that a younger pre-prime version of Wlad would have had a better chance, as he was far more aggressive where he used a wider variety of punches.

 

Wlad knew going into the Haye fight that he was a powerful counterpuncher.

He knew going into the fight with Tyson that Tyson only had respectable power at the weight, and that he’d been dropped by far lesser fighters, one of which was a CW.

You’ve just said yourself that he didn’t have any notable power for Wlad to worry about. So then why he did he try and box with a taller fighter who had a longer reach? Why did he go feint for feint with him? Why didn’t he fight him aggressively from the outset, like he did briefly in the 12th round?

He knew going into the fight how Tyson fought. He’d seen him fight. He’d been in camp with him. Everybody watching knew that his best chance of beating Tyson was to fight aggressively and unload his power. But he didn’t do that. And you need to ask why.

I don’t believe that after doing the exact same thing for 11 rounds that it finally occurred to him that he needed to change his tactics. Again, it should have been obvious from the outset. I don’t think that they went with the wrong game plan. I think that Tyson got into his head and fighting him was a huge shock to the system. I see no evidence to point towards him being much more aggressive in a rematch.

 

I respect that. But again, he let his hands go in the 12th, and he fought aggressively where he looked sharp against Joshua 2 years later, after 2 years of inactivity.

So again, if he could physically let his hands go after the first 11 rounds, then he could physically have let them go in those rounds. But he didn’t. So that is a psychological issue, not a physical one.

Yes, in his prime he was better conditioned. But he’d still never come across a fighter as big, as talented and as confident before.

There’s nothing to suggest that he wouldn’t have gone feint for feint with Tyson had they have met in 2007.

Even with Manny, he was a cautious fighter.

 

BCS8,

You really believe that it took him 11 rounds to figure that out?

He had to have known going into the fight of the tactics that he needed to employ.

He knew that Tyson was bigger than him.

He knew that Tyson wasn’t anywhere near as powerful as him.

He’d trained with Tyson and seen Cunningham drop him.

It was obvious to all of us that he needed to approach the fight aggressively, so it should have been obvious to him.

That’s absolutely ridiculous.

He simply never went through with it?

You make it sound as though he just changed his mind and fought somebody else instead.

He’s officially been diagnosed as having various mental health issues, and he had a breakdown and nearly killed himself. He wouldn’t even spend time with his only children. He had 3 years out of the ring.

This to you constitutes as ducking someone?

Really?

Ha!

Seems legit.

So you’ve just completely ignored everything that I’ve said.

Again, the guy had a mental breakdown.

How on earth is having a breakdown ducking someone?

Have a word with yourself.

Again, all of the examples that you’ve purposely ignored are extremely relevant to your theory. Because again, the type of guy who ducked a faded Wlad after he’d already beaten him, would not have lost over 100 pounds and then come back to fight Wilder and Joshua.

Those actions blow your theory to bits. Because if your theory was right, he’d never have come back into the sport.

It would have been completely illogical.

Losing over a 100 pounds and coming back to fight Wilder and Joshua is/was a much bigger challenge than rematching a guy who he’d already beaten.

Yeah. He was obviously petrified of the guy who he’d already beaten. Makes perfect sense.

Yeah. Rematching the guy he’d already beaten gave him a mental breakdown. That’s how powerful Wlad was. Well, apart from in their actual fight that is.

He wasn’t himself, because for the first time in his entire career, he was fighting a fighter who was bigger than him, who his mentor thought extremely highly of, and who had great speed and movement.

There’s zero logic in predicting that a prime version of Wlad would have obliterated him.

He’d have been presented with the exact same problems.

 

He had a mental breakdown and had 3 years out of the sport.

How on earth was that running away from somebody?

It’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. And if he wouldn’t rematch an old Wlad who he’d already beaten, then why on earth did he come back and fight Wilder, and why on earth is he about to fight Anthony Joshua?

Engage your brain.

He wouldn’t fight Wlad again, yet he’d fight Wilder and Joshua?

Yeah.

That’s perfectly logical.

 

So: You don’t know if his issues were true or not, yet you’ve still convinced yourself that he ducked Wlad?

How does that make sense?

And why would you doubt what happened anyway?

We saw what a mess he was in.

His own father and his wife have both said that he wouldn’t engage them or even his own children.

Why on earth would they have fabricated something like that?

 

It’s boxing.

HW boxing.

Anything can happen.