Could Hagler have fought at 154 with 24-hour weigh-ins?

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He might get there, but he might be worse off for doing it.
     
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  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok, so Hagler is for some reason just about the only fighter who can't rehydrate a few pounds without it effecting his performance? Don't buy that for a second.
     
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  3. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    With the dehydration and rehydration methods of today he could make welterweight which was 10 lbs lighter that his same day. Today rehydration of 15-20lbs is normal so in reality Errol Spence on same day may be heavier than Hagler on fight night
     
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  4. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am not sure why we are talking about Hagler as a welterweight or 154.. It started out 154 and now there is talking about 147. He could not make either, he was as solid at 160 as you come, regardless of coming in 157 sometimes.
     
  5. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In Haglesr era with same day weigh ins dehydration wasn't used a fighter could not recover on same day. Even as solid as MMH was everybody carries water weight. With 24 hr weigh ins 10lbs today is not much..... Water weight has little to do with how solid a fighter is he is normally hydrated or his performance suffers......fighters today will hit the scales looking terrible with sunken eyes and dried out by fight time they are rehydrated looking healthy and solid.
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    A lot of fighters used to dehydrate back in the 1970s and 1980s and before. It's always been the case. It's nothing new. It's as old as the hills.
    Hagler probably dried out a bit and was probably 166 or more in the ring.
    Of course, with more time between weigh-in and fight he might get away with drying out to 154 or less, yeah.
     
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  7. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't see the point. Hagler was best at 160.. And he was a such professional. I don't see him taking a chance being any less than perfect for a fight. Hearns and Duran were more the risk takers. They would go up and down in weights. Hearns fought at 154 in June of 1986, to middleweight in Oct.. light heavy in March 1987 and back to middleweight for Roldan in Oct. 1987.. Duran did the same stuff. They wanted to fight anyone and get titles. Hagler wanted to win and stay 100 percent always. They had similarities, but Hearns and Duran liked to go all over the place in weight. Ray? He acted like he did, but he manipulated Lalonde to get him weak and then win 2 titles on one night to match Hearns. Hagler was too much of a professional to take a risk. He followed the rules so much and didn't believe in being weakened.
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Just to be clear--do you really feel that he would have been weakened by sweating or an extra 3 or 4 pounds, even if he had an extra 24 hours to rehydrate and replenish? This is a man who regularly made 157-158.5 the day of his fights, without cutting weight (or my knowledge).
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You believe that he dried out down to 157, 158? What would the point of that be? Strange that his trainers would allow that to happen so regularly.
     
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  10. Unforgiven

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    Well, he had to return to the scales and weigh in naked for some fights too. No one's perfect.
    It's not always possible to control exactly how much you sweat and urinate etc. Hence how our body weights can vary.
    Hagler and his trainers did a good job and never blamed weight making for anything as far as I remember.
     
  11. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hagler was an old school fighter. He wouldn't have played games with weight contracts and all that. If there was a chance he would be weakened he would not do it. I remember hearing him interviewed and he did not believe in wasting punches or energy because it would affect his game or fight. Hagler was not like Floyd who wanted advantages or disadvatages. He wanted to get in shape and fight the guy fair.
     
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  12. PernellSweetPea

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    Hagler was a disciplined guy. I was surprised he gave Ray some considerations for his fight. I am not sure about the glove size, but for Hearns he fought with 8 oz Reyes. For Ray I think it was 10... I am not sure exactly.
     
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  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Thanks, but your comment doesn't address my question at all.
     
  14. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are asking could he have? Yes, but he wouldn't have. Squeezing for weight is more a thing fighters do now. or make other fighters do for advantage. Like Floyd with Canelo
     
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