Could have Ingo's right hand Bingo decked iron jawed George Chuvalo?

On a side note, as many of you probably already know, George's personal life has been overflowing with personal family tragedies. I can't even imagine the internal pain he's suffered. Now in his eighties, I understand that the man is suffering from Dementia, the long good-bye, as they say. When he finally says his final good-bye, if I had the say (which I don't), I'd have an extra deep grave dug for him, and have him buried standing up.

 

The hammer. When he threw it right, it was a very good looking punch, from the shoulder, down the pipe and on the button - supported by crucial timing as you said.

For me, Chuvalo’s the type of fighter that I’d “almost” have to see actually put down before I’d say yes, that punch can put him down.

There’s arguably perhaps a 1 or 2 KDs in George’s career that weren’t officially ruled, correct? Nothing major but perhaps enough to be deemed technical touchdowns.

Chuvalo took LOTs of hard shots - but what are the hardest single shots we can point to?

Foreman clearly rocked George with the big left hook in round 3 of their fight. Chuvalo’s knees appeared to clearly buckle - one caveat though, Foreman’s thudding power was such that it could literally shift opponents this way and that without their necessarily having lost their legs or at least not to the degree that it might’ve appeared.

Suffice to say, George could punch directly downward at the top of your head and pile drive you into the deck just from the sheer force. The time it took you to arise could be attributed to just having to climb out of the newly formed crater.

Chuvalo claimed DeJohn hit him the hardest I believe. Are there any outstanding points in the footage where Chuvalo can be shown to be thusly hurt and by what exact punches?

Williams might’ve been old, physically impaired and with very limited stamina by that stage but he did hit Chuvalo (not so young himself with many hard fights in tow) very hard, backing him up and appearing to hurt George here and there. Too bad the footage of their fight isn’t so great - Big Cat began busting up George early - but repeat, Big Cleve was fighting to a very limited gas tank therefore Chuvalo was able to ultimately out work him. A truly energised, faster, on point Williams, (ala vs Liston) , would’ve been a very interesting challenge to Chuvalo’s whiskers.

 

I remember listening to George in an interview on TV where he argued that he wasn’t getting hit with everything, that his defence was good. That he didn’t get the credit for his defence. So I went back and studied his fights again but all I could see was a lot of punches still making contact.

But what I did notice was George was always watching. Deep concentration. Whilst contact was made, he stood like a rock with his chin deep in his chest. Bracing himself. The top point of His forehead taking mostly deflections of blows he was ready for. You watch his eyes. He sees everything that’s coming. And It was really hard to reach the point of his chin. Even for fast punchers like Ali and Floyd. It was buried that low within that short neck and massive shoulders that he really wasn’t getting hit with damaging impact on vital targets.

However. I remember seeing a few flashing counter right hands rocked George from Jimmy Ellis. A couple jimmy landed just sweet from just that right angle that were a little more blind sided that landed a little flusher than most. They had a reaction on Chuvalo. George was mortal. He wobbled. But the guy was experienced and knew what to do, and it was Jimmy Ellis right hands not Ingo Johansson that was landing.

All I am saying is, if the guy doesn’t see the punch, and the punch is inch perfect and clean, then it’s game over.

 

Chin so strong, death can't even take him down!

 

Great observations.

As a boxer it would be nice to be praised for a great chin, as randomly upheld, but not so nice if that was all that defined you, as if you were no better than a resilient heavy bag.

Naturally, Chuvalo put his hand up to say, hey, I did exercise some form of defence - - and he did, even if less crucial areas of his head still took the brunt.

While George still got hit a lot, his all important chin was well tucked and a watching Chuvalo well braced. Like Ali, though sometimes hurt/buzzed, Chuvalo had very sturdy legs beneath him, helping to keep him up and unbuckled in their own right.

The big Foreman left and the action thereafter might serve to exemplify your points.

Chuvalo didn’t see the big left hook coming and it did hit on the sweet spot on the right side of his jaw. Thereafter Chuvalo was ready and braced, big hits still landed but higher up, around the forehead area as you correctly referenced.

About the only shot among the many landed thereafter that was as clean as the first was perhaps another big left hook that appeared to catch Chuvalo right on the jaw and really twist his head just prior to the stoppage.

On a side note re Ellis and power, Jimmy could punch very sharp, fast and hard at times, couldn’t he? - his KDs of Bonavena are a testament to same - and he did have Shavers’ going before Earnie single shotted him for the KO.

 

Jimmy was an underrated puncher when he set up the right hand. He cleverly stepped off making space for a target using an angle. Then struck as the target came into focus. It’s always the blind punches that do it.

 

I still think Chuvalo would take it, as someone already pointed out. Johansson liked to fight at his own pace, Chuvalo wouldn't allow him to do that. The fighters who stopped Chuvalo were swarmers aka Frazier, or monsters like Foreman who attack you from the opening bell. And Johansson is nowhere near as physically strong as Big George.

Chuvalo was able to keep up and give fast boxers like Patterson, Ali, tough fights. And was able to stop a clever counter puncher like Jerry Quarry, i think Chuvalo would eventually catch up to Johansson and stop him.

I think if your going to stop Chuvalo its from attacking him hard and early, and with accumulation of punishment like Foreman, Frazier, not single punches like Johansson.