Could have Mike Tyson reigned as champion for 3 years in the 1960's ?

I see.
It seems like you´re serious about this.
Mind helping users who think of him as "highly rated HW", or a top H2H HW out of that "utopia" with that expertise of yours?

 

I just did.

Seems like denial is the default setting for Tysonistas.

 

His in about his 68th username mate i wouldn't waste too many words. He's banned then back anew pretty much monthly. He will be gone again in no time.

 

Fair point about Tillis. I still don't think Tyson had quite yet peaked but you put up a reasonable argument. I don't agree that Tyson would never pick up the title however purely because of Ali. You must also take into consideration that Ali had not quite yet peaked between '60 and '63. Do you think Tyson could've beaten him then? You must also consider that Ali was forced into exile in 1967, so he would not be a roadblock in the way of Tyson at that point.

 

The voice of sanity.

Cheers JT.

 

Is this Carl Childers/Black Panther?

 

Possibly, there's been so many names i can't keep track of them.

 

I believe he was Kennorton804 or something of that sort a couple years back!

 

I think you'd have to go back to Cus to make this argument!

 

I don’t know that 60s Heavyweights that well so Ali in exile might be the opening that Tyson could exploit.

However, faced to face with 60s Ali, I think Tyson would have serious stylistic problems. Not only that, Ali would be completely up for the mental challenges Tyson presented as far as intimidation.

Tyson would be, at best, considered by Ali as a simpleton with no cares about the black community and ,at a worse, the worst type of lost African-America that would harm the community already with severe outside problems. Remember this is Tyson going back to 60s as the same person he was in the 80s-90s. Bottom line, Ali would have deep distain for Mike Tyson and his thuggish attitude and it would play right into Ali hands during the buildup.

Tyson would not be able to do anything with Ali in this department. No glare or all business ring entrance or anything would intimidate Ali. He would if anything intimidate Mike. This is not meant as a knock on Mike. Men were built different in the 1960s. Vietnam, Civil Rights, Cold War.

Ali was much more that a great fighter, he was a great freedom fighter and a great man.

In the ring, the best versions of Ali in my opinion is Ali from the Liston fights. He made a great fighter look ordinary...and at some points like a bum. Ali said he would do this and did it. And did it again. This was the butterfly and if you wanted to beat this man, you had to get close enough to land a lot of hard punches. To do that to get past his jab and it you did that you had to get past his right hand, and if you did that you had to find a way to track him down, because once he threw his punches he disappeared.

Mike has problems with guys who don’t cooperate with him. Guys who he destroyed were guys we expected he would destroy. Once put in with his equal in terms of courage and boxing IQ Mike would run into problems even if he won the fight.

I am not sure who most people consider the prime Tyson. Perhaps his fights against Razor Ruddick. I would say Tyson vs Holmes and Spinks and his run up to the title. Either way, these was the peak of his powers again a champions. They were no match for him.

Tyson again, without a sufficient jab, would not be able to get the timing of Ali enough to corner and punish Ali. If he did corner Ali, Ali would wrap him up, ref would separate them, and Ali would go to back to dancing and jabbing. By the end of the match, Tyson is swelling and Ali has cruised to clear win.

Ali has dealt with pressure and power (add the fact that Liston blinded him for a round and still could not land much should tell us plenty) and he overcame it. Tyson, as great as an offensive powerhouse he is at heavyweight is more like Dominique Wilkins (human-highlight film) compared to Michael Jordan the complete and utter GOAT.

Peace

 

The version of Ali who was decked by Cooper would have been taken out as quickly as Michael Spinks was by Tyson.

 

yeah I think Tyson pretty much wipes out the whole sixties generation of heavys with the possible exception of Ali of 1966-1967. And even then I’m not sold. For all his greatness Muhammad Ali has a weakness for left hooks and that was one of Tyson’s bread and butter punches

 

I think Tunney could do as well vs Liston as Machen. At least. But I do think he'd be roadkill vs a young Mike Tyson. And yeah, Douglas did hit harder than Ali. Remember when Ali landed all of those punches on Floyd Patterson and Patterson was stopped on his feet? If Douglas landed the same clean shots on Patterson in the same volume, he'd have been counted out flat on his back. And Patterson wasn't exactly known for his sturdy, granite mandible.