Could Holyfield Have Being A Dominant Force In the 1970s?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    What do you think?
    Would The Real Deal have stood out in the golden era?
     
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  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think he would be there with the best, but for me it's unlikely that he dominates, as in getting the better of all the other top guys. Tbf, he didn't in the 90's either.
     
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  3. Fergy

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    Yes there were more belts around in the 90 s that's partly why he became champ so many times.
    But he'd still remain in the top 10 for a long time imo.
    Just not sure he cracks the championship
     
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  4. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    He definitely would be one of the top 10, even top 5.
     
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  5. Gudetama

    Gudetama Active Member Full Member

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    Not dominant, but right up there with the best of them.
     
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    Smoochie Boxin' dreamer Full Member

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  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Depends on when he comes around and how. Frazier in '72, '73 I think should be very doable. Ali was in so so shape for most of his 70's defences and also rapidly declining, so if a peaking Holy gets to him...

    Foreman is the most stylistically suited for him of the top 70's fighters imo, so if he'd get to him before Ali does he could definitely become champ. A fight with Norton could be one of the most memorable of the 70's. Hell, all of these are fantastic fights, since Holy would mix it up with anyone at times in a fight.
     
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  8. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    NO.
    Even if Holyfield (Bowe ll) fights FOTC Frazier, Holmes (Norton), Norton (Ali l), Foreman (Frazier l or Norton), and Muhammad Ali; if Holyfield appeared in every fight in the Bowe ll edition - he wouldn't be a dominant force.
     
  9. Fergy

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    A series of Norton fights could be absolutely belting.
     
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  10. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He loses to peak Frazier, Ali, and Foreman, and beats Norton in a competitive fight.
     
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  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, not only is there nowhere to hide from Norton over 15, Holy wasn't a guy who wanted to hide over 15. These two would go at it and I think it would be epic.
     
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  12. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    No body is going to be a dominant force in the 70's IMO. The styles of Ali, Frazier and Foreman are too different from each other for any one fighter to dominate all these guys.

    It all depends on when Holyfield is matched up vs guys. If he fights Foreman pre-Ziare, he gets stopped.

    If he fights George after Zaire, he probably survives the early rounds vs a measured Foreman and then wins a decision.

    Similarly, he probably loses a close decision to Frazier prior to 1974 and then beats him post.

    The only way Holyfield "dominates" the 70's is if he turns pro around 1971, starts fighting the top guys around 1974-75. He probably matches up vs Foreman or Frazier around 1975 and wins.

    He then fights Ali and probably loses a close controversial decision, wins a rematch, goes 2-1 vs Norton. He beats Bugner, Lyle, Shavers etc. but if he has an off night, he might get upset vs someone like Lyle. Not likely though.

    Then he fights Holmes circa 1978-79 and given the wear and tear from fighting the top guys vs a fresh Holmes, Holmes probably decisions him.
     
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  13. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali and Holmes would be more tactical fights for Holy, I think, but Frazier, Foreman and Norton would be all out action. Madre de Dios when he quickly finds out that there's no way to even get a minute's rest against a peak Frazier, only to open the doors to hell and step in... Would be FOTC quality.
     
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  14. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Definitely.
    Don't think Holyfield is one' of those guys that takes out Norton fast or anything like that.
    Can see these fights being some of those great 70 s fights perhaps.
     
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  15. Dynamicpuncher

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    Nope.

    Loses to Ali, Holmes, Frazier depending on the version.

    Norton/Holyfield is 50/50.

    Foreman it depends what version of Holyfield fights him if it's the gung ho Holyfield of the early 90s he gets stopped. If it's the smarter version of Holyfield who bulked up I could see him winning.

    Holyfield would be around the top 5 but never number 1.