could hopkins have beaten calzaghe had he been more agressive?

Joe was hurt???:nut Sure.

 

I've never seen any highlight reels showing Calzaghe landing anything significant in the entire Hopkins fight.... Can anybody post a link up? That's if one exists...

 

you haven't?

did you miss Kellerman saying that Calzaghe is the only fighter to land more punches on Hopkins than any other fighter?

 

I thought Hopkins won anyway, but Im glad Calzaghe did even though Iv never been a massive fan of his.

 

No Hopkins would have still lost, and would probably have lost more convincingly in the process, as he would have been more open to attack.
Hopkins lost. I understand that with so many people idolising him its hard to not find a good reason as to why he lost other than he just lost to the better man.
Hopkins scored a good knockdown when Calzaghe was standing square on, but lets not pretend he was hurt and staggering round the ring on unsteady legs, because Calzaghe was the one that went straight after Hopkins.
Hopkins was looking very tired and could have had a knockdown scored against him in the 10 th round for going down.
If Hopkins thought he was winning that fight do you think he would have tried to get points deducted or just carried on working? This was Hopkins best time to win as Cortez wasnt making a big deal of Hopkins using the head.
For people who say they didnt see any clips of Calzaghe landing clean on Hopkins, go on youtube theres two parts, one about Hopkins landing on Calzaghe, which features the same punches on more than one occassion and even Hopkins being aloud to use the head, then look at Calzaghe slaps Hopkins around, it shows many clean shots from Calzaghe and is longer without the same punches being repeated.
Except it Hopkins lost

 

Yes I think he was hurt, he was, its simple to see. its boxing, fighters get hurt. Fighters far far better than Calzaghe get hurt, its to Joe's credit how he overcame it.

I dont struggle with anything actually fan-boy, I think B-Hop won as I think he won more rounds with cleaner more acurate more effective shots.
He did look old in the latter rounds, thats what made it close IMO.
I slept ok ever since Joe got the nod though, idiot!

 

Read above and go on youtube and watch the 2 articles and you will see for yourself, that Calzaghe landed more and did some effective work

 

This.

And also Hopkins would have tired quicker by throwing more and would've needed to do even more holding to avoid being slapped silly

 

Hopkins was badly struggling last few rounds, as the movement of Joe, the many directions, at speed the punches were coming from - and there being so many of them made it a nightmare scenario for him. If Hopkins opens up - Joe can relax into the natural counterpuncher he really is, and begin to really pick Hopkins off, as Hopkins would then neglect his defence to make his own offence.

Hopkins said before the fight - "He throws 1000 punches? That gives me 1000 opportunities then"..

If Hopkins was to open up, be more aggressive - then the faster fighter in Calzaghe could take FAR more advantage than he would against a VERY conservative fighter who is looking to just limit the fight output to a minimum and try and win on occasional clean shots.

9:3 to Joe - extra point to Bernard by knockdown.

Really enjoyable fight, as the amount of infight adjustments, the mental battles - fantastic to watch. Two of the best mental brains in a long time in the same ring, battling it out - great to watch.

 

9:3 to Calzaghe?

 

Certainly there were more countering opportunities there that a younger, more energetic Hopkins would have taken advantage of. When Hopkins did decide to flurry he was actually matching Calzaghe for hand-speed and landing with more accuracy.

 

Yep..

If you read the thread made just after the fight - that, and 8:4 was the most common score going - people like Brooklyn1550, kg0208 all had that kind of score.

I believe even Sues2nd had Joe winning in most times that he watched the fight, and that guy loves Hopkins.

 

No, he needed to slow the Calzaghe's output and the fight pace.

Being more aggresive would've just suited Calzaghe countering.

 

Joe would have connected even more if Hopkins tried to engage rather than counter.

People call Hopkins a mastercrafter but they themselves don't box so neglect the fact that if Hopkins wasn't slippery - and engaged - he'd have been outworked. Prime or not no version of Hopkins ever outworks Joe and if you think otherwise you're stoned. Hopkins had to counter Joe, if he fought like he fought Tito he'd have been brutally outworked.

Hopkins *may* have beaten Joe is he fought like he fought Jones II ie: Running in head first punching 1/2/3 times and grabbing > repeat. Joe might not have been able to get his punches off then and so Hopkins would have gotten the win.

Hopkins fans just cannot grasp the fact that if you fight defensively you cannot fight overwhelmingly agressively at the same time....but they still think he can for some strange reason. They think he can fight like he did Pavlik while also being as slippery as he was when he first fought Joe - Hopkins aint no electron ya know! (http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jun/cover - 3rd paragraph)

The cold hard truth Hopkins fans are gonna have to swallow is there's no opponent either fighter has beaten that the other guy could not and that Joe has the slight edge on workrate - period.