Could Iron Man Jeffries ?

That's another supermiddleweight. You're not making your case any better

For God's sake, why? The question was whether or not Jeffries, THE Jeffries, could walk through Lewis' shots or not. And you can complain all about the pace you want, but those Jeffries/Johnson fights are boring as hell. Punch, clinch....... wrestle......... nothing happens......... 10 seconds later, repeat the same thing. Unless you get exciting from Ruiz' fights, the bareknuckle-gloved boxing transition period was a pretty boring one to watch.

 

Jack johnson was 175-180lb when he fought choynski. choynski was 165lb. thats a 10-15lb difference.



james jeffries was 230lb and choynski was 167lb, thats a 63lb difference!

 

Yes.

These so called "super heavyweights" failed to replicate the acomplishment of Jimmy Young against a 40+ George Foreman by putting him on the canvas.

Power and size are not worth two buckets of sh1t unless backed up by technique.

The guys Jeffries fought were expert finishers in some cases.

The fights were over 20+ rounds with 5oz gloves.

How many guys could honestly go 20 rounds against a prime Chris Byrd without going down?

I dont know for sure but the smart money is on hell yes.

 

In short, no.

 

BIG DEE HERE= Jim Jeffries while in training camp went deer hunting with 4 other members of his training camp. Jim got a buck that weighed in at 310 lbs.
He threw it up over his shoulders and carried the damn thing all the way back to camp 9 miles. The other guys talked about it later as he set such a pace going back to camp we damn near couldn`t keep up with him and whats more
Jeffries never stopped to rest he just kept going all the way to the damn camp. YA HE WAS DAMN STRONG AND YOU WONDER WHY HE COULD FIGHT 25 RDS AT A TREMENDOUS PACE LIKE IN THE SHARKEY FIGHT. IN THE SHAKEY FIGHT JEFFRIES THREW CLOSE TO 1400 PUNCHES IN THE FIGHT OVER THE 25 RDS IN HEAT SO HOT IT BURNED THERE HAIR OFF THEIR HEADS AND GAVE THEM 2ND DEGREE BURNS ON THEIR HEADS AND SHOULDERS. THEY WERE COVERED WITH JUICY BLISTERS THE DAY AFTER THE FIGHT AT CONEY ISLAND NY.

 

Do you believe in UFO's?

 

The deer incident is quite well documented for whatever it is worth.

If every heavyweight champion in history went into an elimination tournament on Gladiators Jeffries would win it easily.

 

This is a good reply.

Anyone who's 1 ) donned goves and 2 ) been hit by various types of gloves knows there is s HUGE difference between 16oz, 12oz, 8oz, and 5oz gloves.

Jeffries durability among historians who lived from 1900-1970 was considered the best. Better then Liston, Sullivan, Dempsey, Tunney, Liston or Ali. Jeffries fought the best punchers in his era in Choynski, Sharkey and Fitzsimmons and took their best without coming close to being shaky. Even as an older fighter coming off a long layoff, Jeffries ate plenty of hooks and uppercuts from Johnson until his ring rust, age, and the heat caught up to him in a fight that was very one sided in the final rounds.

Nat Fleisher felt that Fitzsimmons was the #1 knock out puncher in heavyweight history to the head or body. Ahead of Louis, Dempsey, and Marciano. While film on Fitz’s Ko’s is grainy and very limited, film on Louis, Dempsey and Marciano is not.

If you add to the fact that Jeffires fought Fitz twice, and took his best when Fitz likely did something to his gloves, the best conclusion is he could take some bombs from the modern super heavies in Lewis, Bowe, and Klitschko with modern gloves. How many bombs is a better question, but I doubt Jeffries would ever lose the way Lewis, Foreman, Liston or Klitschko have. In the terms of stamina, and the ability to take punishment, Jeffries had it in the spades. He also had excellent agility, and a knack for ducking punches.

 

I personally don't doubt Jeffries durabiliy, but he would be hit a LOT if matched against today's HW's, and no one can keep that up for long against 250+ pound guys.

 

UFO incidents are quite well documented for whatever it is worth. Same goes for the Lochness monster.


I don't want to sound like a ***** here (and i do), but you get my point.

 

Could Jeffries take a punch from a modern HW? Sure he could. The question really is could he take a bunch of punches from a modern HW? I don't know. Maybe those smaller HWs(or super MWs and LHWs) that Jeffries faced could hit as hard as amodern behemoth when you factor in the smaller gloves and all but let's face it, combination punching and a hard fast consistent jab were still on the drafting board back then. From the existing footage from that era it looks as if the style du jour was wait, posture, punch then clinch and repeat. By that standard any HW with a good chin could take a few well spaced bombs during the course of a fight. Could Jeff survive a Tysonesque like barrage of punches, say 4 or 5 fast explosive shots on the whiskers or a triple jab/right hand/left hook from a Holmes or Holyfield or a double jab/ right hand/hook or uppercut from a Lewis or Klitchsko? In other words, could big Jeff survive a series of hard fast combinations from a big skilled modern HW, not a well placed bomb that comes in 2 or 3 times a round from a much smaller fighter. I'm not saying that he wouldn't be able to but it does make one think. Anyone out there agree

 

Jeffries was easily one of the finest athletes ever in the elite heavyweight ranks. His lifting, jumping and sprinting exploits are well documented. Add to this his incredible stamina and you have a fantastic athlete. Perhaps I just don't understand this ridiculous word "athleticism" that has made its way into the modern sporting parlance.

Jeffries problem would be technique and style. Perhaps were he privileged with modern training, he might be able to last and even excel against the modern super-heavies. However, this is all speculation. What we do know is that he was a tough, tough guy with a high pain threshold, great stamina and possessed fantastic athletic abilities.