Could it come down to the coaches

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by billy nelson, Nov 18, 2014.


  1. billy nelson

    billy nelson the fighting scots gym Full Member

    15,873
    674
    Jan 9, 2009
    Saturdays fight is living up to being a exciting fight and one I'm looking forward too
    However, no matter which boxer your siding with IMO this fight could be won with tactics by there respective coaches Darren and David and information given between the rounds, what's your thoughts?
     
  2. tdf1974

    tdf1974 Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,132
    2,354
    Sep 9, 2013
    are you saying Ricky Burns being complete pants was actually YOUR fault??


    anyway , i think fitness will play the biggest part in the fight
     
  3. ant-man

    ant-man ant Full Member

    6,254
    1
    May 13, 2009
    I suppose it could...if one of the coaches breaks down on the motorway.
     
  4. Camaris

    Camaris Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,410
    980
    Jul 11, 2012
    Billy - I'd appreciate your prediction on the outcome so I can place an educated bet on proceedings. :) Cleverly to have a slightly bigger and better punch than people are currently giving him credit for? I think so... If you believe what you read then Bellew is the only one with fists in the fight. I just think with two additional stone Bellew might get spudded.
     
  5. billy nelson

    billy nelson the fighting scots gym Full Member

    15,873
    674
    Jan 9, 2009
    I think Nathan is the faster more skilled fighter although Tony does punch harder.
    But IMO it's easier to have a gameplan to stop a puncher landing than a busy skilled fighter. You can't hurt what you can't hit!
     
  6. moog

    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,855
    6,096
    Mar 12, 2012
    I think Tony is more skilful than Clev, can box well on back foot or front foot. Clev is one dimensional, looks slower at CW, and lacks confidence at CW, hence why he has fought only two duds at the new weight. Bellew is a huge puncher at the weight, looks a lot better CW than LHW and we brutally beat Clev in the end.
     
  7. Terminator_X

    Terminator_X Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,796
    3
    Apr 5, 2013
    How can a fight that hasn't taken place yet be "living up to being a exciting fight"?

    I think your getting mixed up between stage managed hype for television and the actual fight itself.

    Although i think the first fight was pretty entertaining, i wouldn't exactly call it a classic and both Bellew and Cleverley has been known to stink the joint out in some of their fights over the last few years so hardly a guarantee that the fight will be as good as the first, infact i don't think it will be.
     
  8. Terminator_X

    Terminator_X Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,796
    3
    Apr 5, 2013
    Don't be silly.

    The right tactics from the trainer were only important when Ricky won, of cause when Ricky lost it was every one elses fault apart from the trainer.
     
  9. billy nelson

    billy nelson the fighting scots gym Full Member

    15,873
    674
    Jan 9, 2009
    not at all when you get beat by the better man you except as I did
     
  10. Trecco bay

    Trecco bay Member Full Member

    440
    1
    Feb 12, 2012
    Cleverly trainer very inexperienced basically a strenght and codintioning coach,don't think he's operated at this level
     
  11. lirva

    lirva Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,335
    97
    Jul 7, 2010

    You think Clev would be better off with Vince?


    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_vj_gzFRAEw/hqdefault.jpg
     
  12. tdf1974

    tdf1974 Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,132
    2,354
    Sep 9, 2013

    ditto

    im pretty sure that Cleverly has put 2 stone of muscle on which should carry to punch power imo...

    well that is what im hoping anyway
     
  13. adam249390

    adam249390 a249390 Full Member

    1,279
    2
    Aug 20, 2010
    What a tool you are
     
  14. Trecco bay

    Trecco bay Member Full Member

    440
    1
    Feb 12, 2012
    Suppose anything better than Vincent ,just thought he would look for someone who has more experience on big fights and tactics,the guy obviously knows his strength and conditioning clev looks great hopefully he surprises me by having a winning game plan
     
  15. moog

    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,855
    6,096
    Mar 12, 2012
    Don't understand why Clev never went back to Enzo Calzaghe, a very good coach or at least Gary Lockett if he is going to train in Wales