Could Jack Dempsey beat Frank Bruno?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Woddy, Dec 1, 2007.


  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Are you saying Bruno would have no chance against these two? Listen up, Bruno was a fine fighter, and had the power to take many a good man out. He gave Witherspoon and Lewis no end of trouble, and i'll sure back him to at least do the same here. You bemoan the older fighters not getting respect, but totally write of big strong and very powerful men like Frank Bruno. It's not like gaines couldn't be ko'ed, plenty turned the trick. I'll take Bruno anyday thanks. I sure know what he brings to the table.

    I'll have a better look at these guys. What fights have you watched of Gaines and Godfrey and what ones would you recommend as showing their best performances? I'll nab a few of both and give them a better assessment.
     
  2. Napuis

    Napuis Straight talkin' mo'fuhha Full Member

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    :lol:

    No.

    Hands up anyone who has actually sen him fight?
     
  3. joe33

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    I personaly reckon bruno would panic as the fast and highly aggresive dempsey would swarm all over him,yeah he had a wonderful build,but so what?,he would be hard pressed to hold dempsey off,and if hit(or when hit) would go into his usual panic and stiff mode,then he would be lost.

    But yeah if he himself hit jack,then he would have a chamce,his great jab would hold jack up a bit,but idont see dempsey panic,he would soon work out that bruno was as slow as ****,and KO the big man in about 8,and guys im a huge bruno fan,i saw most of his fights,a few live even,but he was sadly not good once he stepped up a level simple as that.

    And thad,you saying dempsey is a loser,kind of sums you up mate,if you really think that,then all the guys from those times,must have been **** to,as were all the people who said he was a great fighter,saw him live and knew the real facts,but of course you seeminly know different,you do talk some crap.
     
  4. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dempsey would hurt Bruno early and often. Bruno won't last.

    ...but Dempsey ain't beating Liston.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Prime Dempsey would win after some tough moments in the early rounds. The Dempsey that fought Firpo would be upset by Bruno however
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jack Dempsey beat up guys in the hobo jungles that were better than Frank Bruno.
     
  7. Woddy

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    What a ridiculous post.

    Bruno was undefeated in his first 21 fight all by KO-a feat hardly acheieved by any Dempsey opponent. He was leading on the scorecards against Boncrusher Smith who was a 6'5,225 pound black fighter, and future world champ before losing in the 10th. Hardly a resemblence to any fighter that Dempsey ever fought. At the age of 32, Bruno beat a very durable Oliver McCall over 12 rounds for a world title, at an age when Dempsey was shot. Over the course of his career he beat men like Coetzee, Bugner, Tillis and Coetzer. These guys weren't all time greats, and many of them were past their best, but still better than Jess Willard, Billy Miske, and several others whom Dempsey either beat, lost or drew with.

    All and all, Bruno retired with a record of 40-5-0-38, and lost mainly to hall of fame fighters in galant efforts. Dempsey only fought some 4 black fighters, and none of them were ranked. He was beaten by men who had no resemblence to Frank Bruno. This whole argument about Bruno freezing up in the early rounds is garbage. Did he just sit back and look scared against Lewis or Tyson??? Both of whom would likely destroy Dempsey.

    Bruno would give Dempsey hell, and on the right night beat him.
     
  8. Sonny's jab

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    A prime Dempsey would probably win in the 1st or 2nd round.

    All Bruno could hope to do is hang on for dear life ..... and he was never a great clincher. He might try his holding-and-hitting but I guess Dempsey would respond with an elbow or two and a rabbit punch.

    Check out the Bruno-Tyson fights if you have any doubts. Truth is, Bruno never really fought a 100% Tyson.
    In 1989 Tyson was coming off his first layoff and fought without as much of the defensive skill we had seen him use before, and admitted he hadn't trained to a peak. He was still the real Tyson but not honed like the one who destroyed Spinks. Also, his first fight since dumping Kevin Rooney, to which many people attach significance (though not myself).
    Still, Tyson battered Bruno and Bruno's only success was him rocking Tyson once (a no ha mean feat but a far cry from actually making the fight look evenly matched affair).

    In 1996 Bruno fought a good version of Tyson but one who had lost 4 years in jail. In any event, Bruno - now a fearsome 245 pounds of rock hard muscle and WBC champion - was swept aside effortlessly.

    I happen to think Dempsey's style was similar to Tyson's and what Jack concedes to Tyson in bodyweight he makes up in reach and in proven ability to come back from the brink.
    A prime Dempsey is gonna do to Bruno what Tyson did in 1996. Bruno is made to measure, physically and psychologically.

    Bruno was a good fighter but he showed time and again that he was found wanting at the highest level. Most of the name fighters he beat were over-the-hill or simply also-rans like himself.
    Bruno may have been better than Oliver McCall but he was clearly inferior to Tyson and managed to lose to a VERY sloppy version of Lennox Lewis. Tim Witherspoon had D-cup breasts when he beat Bruno !

    A guy like Dempsey, who made his name ambushing big stiff stand-up statues, would be too quick and savage for Bruno.
    A quick blow-out for Dempsey doesn't really do justice to Bruno but that's the way it goes. Styles make fights.
     
  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Frank Bruno would NEVER beat Jack Dempsey. Maybe the Dempsey of 1955, but even then, he'd probably scare the **** out of the big overrated nothing.
     
  10. Woddy

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    Name one fighter who ever beat Bruno in two rounds. While you're at it, name one fighter who Dempsey beat that was better than Tyson, Lewis, Smith or Witherspoon.

    Bruno beat many decent fighters without holding or clinching, many of whom were probably better fighters than most of Dempsey's opponents.

    Please, Tyson was off for 8 months before fighting Bruno. Frank was off for 16. If you're going to use this layoff stuff, then please apply it both ways.

    Frankly, I don't see Dempsey lasting 5 rounds against Tyson in February of 1989, regardless of the abscense of Kevin Rooney.

    Bruno was also the older of the two, and not long before, had taken a pretty severe beating from Lennox Lewis, and had gone through a tough 12 rounds with Oliver McCall. Still, a 1996 Tyson would have dusted a peak Dempsey in about the same time or faster in my opinion.

    Jack used more footwork than Tyson, but Tyson made up for it in defense and punching ability . These guys had virtually nothing in comon.

    Their reach, wasn't much different, and in fact, these guys didn't rely on reach much. As for "coming back from the brink", are you referring to the Firpo fight, in which the fans at ringside helped Dempsey to get back into the ring after Firpo knocked him through the ropes?

    Made to measure? Hmmm. Given that Bruno was a 6'4" 220 pound black puncher who had won a number of fights against ranked contenders, and Dempsey would not even fight black fighters, then I think the Physiology and psychology would be in Bruno's favor.

    Now you're getting carried away. Dempsey Beat a 37 year old Willard, who hadn't fought in 3 years for the heavyweight title. Tell me how Willard was better than McCall, Coetzee, Coetzer, or Tillis who were at least fighting actively and no where near the age of 37. Ina addition, he defended his belt against guys like Billy Miske who only won 3 out of his previous 7 fights, and was suffering from an illness. Not exactly McCallesque. Lastly, he fought a journeyman named Willie Meehan on 5 occasions earlier in his career, and only cam up with a single win in 5 fights.

    These fighters whom you berate for beating Bruno were leagues above the men whom Dempsey fought, and I've already provide you some examples as to why.

    Comparing Bruno tot he crap that Dempsey fought, is just plain wrong.
     
  11. Woddy

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    Not really,

    Dempsey was the one who was scared of black fighters. Not Bruno.
     
  12. Napuis

    Napuis Straight talkin' mo'fuhha Full Member

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    You've got to realise that you have to worship the old fighters at all times. Don't come on here spouting reason and logic.

    The way some would have it on here, Dempsey was a 7' 2" monster, with immense KO power and a granite chin. Look at his fight with Tunney to see what happens when he comes up against a taller, decent boxer who protects himself, fluid punches - exactly what Bruno is.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Bruno as a fluid puncher? Not really...in fact, just "no".
     
  14. Executioner

    Executioner Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yes, easily. Bruno had big power with a shaky chin and horrible stamina. Dempsey would tear through him :yep
     
  15. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bruno did not have a 'shaky chin'. Look at all the clean bonecrushing rights Smith landed before he got the job done. With the exception of the first few seconds 1989 vintage Tyson could not get Bruno off his feet; and despite literally measuring Bruno up for his right, even Lewis could not deck Bruno. Bruno had his faults, but it is a myth to say a shaky chin was one of them.