Could Jack Dempsey beat Frank Bruno?

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  1. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    You don´t see my face when I write something, perhaps I laugh and smile, perhaps I cry and have already a read head, but seriously, I don´t take a forum so serious that I´m getting angry very quick or so, my posts sometimes sounds probably harder than I meant it... :deal
     
  2. C. M. Clay II

    C. M. Clay II Manassah's finest! Full Member

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    OK, fair enough.
     
  3. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    I believe I see a favorable bias of yours toward modern-day heavyweight fighters in general, as you seem awed by their superior size and polished technique. I agree, of course, as our more recent boxers have been able to build on the legacy of the past, plus were simply better nourished from conception. I agree that Bonecrusher Smith beats Tommy Gibbons.

    This makes guys like Jack Dempsey all the more amazing to me, as they still compare favorably to titans of a century later.
     
  4. Cojimar 1945

    Cojimar 1945 Member Full Member

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    I don't think the ethnicity of foes is that important of an issue. Marciano was caucasian and was able to dispose of highly-rated black opponnents. There are many other examples such as Wladimir Klitschko, Jerry Quarry, Max Schmelling, etc. Some of Dempsey's opponnents such as Gibbons and Miske were among the best fighters of that era.
     
  5. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tell Sullivan, Jeffries, Langford, Wills, Dempsey and Johnson that then.;)
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Bruno did get the undivided atention and then some of Tyson and Lewis there is no denying it.

    Perhaps what seperates Dempsey from Bruno is that everything might go wrong for Dempsey that could go wrong, and Bruno might fight the perfect fight, but Dempsey would still find a way to win.

    Dempsey was the all time master of coming back from the brink. On at least two ocasions he won a fight and thought he had been knocked out afterwards.
     
  7. Sonny's jab

    Sonny's jab Guest

    When discussing Tyson vs Bruno I am surprise by how many people seem to reckon Bruno did well.

    I'm not being a Tyson nuthugger here, but I think Tyson was being a bit lazy with his head movement when they first fought, and most reviews of the fight reckoned he wasn't quite 100%. Let's say he was 99% and Bruno bothered him for about 5 seconds in the 5 rounds.The rest of the time he's hanging on to Tyson's neck, seems to be hyper-ventillating from anxiety and is getting slowly tortured by Tyson.

    Of course, AT THAT TIME no one as strong as Bruno had landed on Tyson in the 1st round but that moment hardly off-sets the overall one-sidedness of the fight in its entirety.

    Bruno showed his best stuff in that fight. I saw him switch from body to head punching, hook off the jab, moved better than he normally did. But apart from rocking Tyson briefly in the 1st, nothing had any effect, and Bruno's boxing had a desperate "please dont hit me" air to it. And I'm talking about the few moments where he wasn't HOLDING and looking helpless and hopeless.

    As a Brit, at the time I was proud of Bruno for showing he could hurt Tyson and for lasting more than 1 round. His brief 5 seconds of success saved him from the utter humiliation that doom-sayers were predicting.

    But the idea that Bruno gave Tyson "all he could handle" and such like is bollocks.

    We could discuss the rematch, where Bruno was bigger, stronger and coming off his biggest win ever, wearing a WBC strap and given an okay chance to upset the recently jail-released Tyson (who hadn't impressed against Buster Mathis Jr.).
    Bruno's flop was dramatic and humiliating. He was psyched out again, and this time thoroughly destroyed. Tyson fought well. Bruno proved only that he had NO CHANCE of beating Tyson, and less belief in the idea than even the spectators.

    Was I watching different fights to some of you ?

    Looking at those fights soberly, and realising that Dempsey had a similar style to Tyson, just has much aggression, and even strong mentality and - importantly - a longer reach, how can anyone imagine anything but a one-sided a rather quick beating of Bruno ?
     
  8. joe33

    joe33 Guest

    Not being funny here mate,but apart from a few decent and one great shot that bruno hit tyson in the first fight ,where else did tyson have his hands full with bruno?,he destroyed him both times,the 2nd one was not even a fight really.
     
  9. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    Only relatively speaking did Tyson "have his hands full" with Bruno, of course. In that heyday of Tyson's reign of terror, just the fact that Bruno survived a few rounds, rocked him a couple of times, delivered a few body shots and avoided a blow out was considered quite an accomplishment.

    Until Tyson's final barrage, there had been a tooth-and-nail Round 1 and then a growing aura of uncertainty with each passing round. It was Tyson's first fight without Rooney, Bruno seemed to be metamorphosing back and forth from scared to brave fighter, and those Brit chants were spine-tingling.

    I just meant anytime you still have a powerful opponent such as Bruno in there with you after a few rounds, it becomes touch and go until you close the show.
     
  10. mr. magoo

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    Agreed,

    Bruno showed game efforts against not one but a few very good fighters. In 40 pro fights, he Ko'd 38 opponents, and gave his conquerors a fair amount of trouble. At times, I wasn't even sure if Lennox Lewis was even going to beat him, and this was a past prime version of Bruno. Frank's limiting factor, was his confidence, but when he showed up to fight, he was about as dangerous as any contender that I can think of. I believe he was acually ahead on the cards in the Witherspoon, Smith and Lewis fights prior to being stopped. All of these men were in their perspective primes when these fights occured. I'll concede that Dempsey should definately be favored to clean house on Bruno, but to think that he would certainly have a fight on his hands, is not out of the question as I've already stated before.
     
  11. joe33

    joe33 Guest

    Ok thats fair enough
     
  12. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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