Could Jack Johnson have tricked/survived Foreman Zaire?

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  1. McGrain

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    Perhaps he could.

    If he knew how that Zaire fight ended, then he would have it on a plate!
     
  3. blackhercules

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    Jack Johnson would be knocked out in 1 round no matter what he did. Too slow, to small, and way too unskilled.
     
  4. reznick

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    Yes, and I think he may be the only other man in history besides Ali who could.
     
  5. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    johnson was a master but foreman will catch him i have no doubt about it and johnson never tested a similar impact to the george's blows
     
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    Foreman lost in Zaire...but what gets lost to the observer is the terrible price Ali had to pay for that win. Foreman said he hit Ali harder than any other man he had ever hit before...Ali stood through that hell...I don't think Johnson could.
     
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  8. Perry

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    Prime Johnson would not need to live through hell. Unlike Ali Johnson was a true master boxer. A great boxer would always have a good chance of beating George. Ala Ali, ala Young. Johnson by unanimous decision.
     
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    Johnson would stand a great chance of winning the fight.
     
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    Jack Johnson was a great champion in his day but the sport was so different then that I am inclined to see it as another sport. Head to head I can not see how Johnson would have been able to survive past round two and the only reason I imagine him getting past the first is that Foreman may take a couple of minutes to get into his groove. I have seen absolutely nothing watching those old fight clips that makes me believe that Johnson's attributes and style would have made him successful against good modern heavyweights, let alone ferocious punchers like George.
     
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  13. Perry

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    Johnson was widely considered the greatest defensive fighter ever by experts of the time who watched him live from ringside.

    We are talking Johnson at his best and at his best he was a beast of an athlete, physically strong with an almost impenetrable defense. As rounds go by Foreman gets more and more exhausted. Late it's a massacre as the best Johnson won't tire while the best Foreman had shaky stamina. In a 15 round fight I honestly don't see George lasting the distance.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Really? Who are you thinking of? Do they compare Johnson directly to the likes of Packey McFarland and Young Griffo? What do they say?
     
  15. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Quite a few experts made such comments. Lou Stillman who saw many greats from the teens up until the 1960's stated

    "Johnson was the greatest defensive fighter in history. He was a master of the lost art of feinting". He further commented that both Fitzsimmons and Corbett also felt the same way even though they placed Jeffries over him.

    Now who exactly Stillman saw during his long life in boxing I cannot say but one has to believe he saw more than his share.
     
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