Could Jack Johnson have tricked/survived Foreman Zaire?

Very good post. I feel old time heavies would at the very least need power to do well today. One of Johnson's problems if he was around in modern times is he was not a big puncher.

Other problems: chin was suspect when hit. 74 inch reach, not a volume puncher. Relied a lot on wrestling / rule bending.

But you can get away with this when you fight teir two title opponets, the old and inactive, small men and avoid the best.

 

Fleischer who watched Johnson live from ringside and knew him personally did not feel Johnson could not punch. He stated he did not punch as hard as Willard or Jeffries but had plenty of wallop.

 

no, ali was better

 

fleischer who watched...
fleischer who saw..
fleischer said...
who i am?

 

Stupid is as stupid does....

 

did fleischer say it too?

 

Buddy you will never learn this sport unless you understand it's history.

 

Nobody cares about Nat Fleischers opinion. The man was a cheerleader.

 

Johnson did not have much power or much resistance.
But he had great technique and high tactical intelligence.
Foreman had extraordinary power and good resistance. But he was too crude and predictable.

Young defeated Foreman. Why not Johnson, master of defense?

 

And that is the point. Peralta (196 lbs) gave Foreman fits and he was quite ordinary. Fast forward to his bout with Ali and he gets koed for a ten count. Fast forward to Young in 77 and Foreman loses a lopsided decision. Prime Johnson was a strong physical specimen and a master boxer many levels above Young certainly. Prime Johnson, after looking critically at Foremans poor showing vs great BOXERS, should be the betting favorite. Smart money is on Johnson.

 

styles makes fights.
Foreman, a slugger, can beat an infighter, also very strong as Norton or Frazier.
The power of his shots hardly left no escape for those who were against him to his face.
But he was also slow and monotonous, so vulnerable to an opponent fast, intelligent, technically gifted.
Johnson lost to Willard (great power and great strength, but crude and slow) only because it was a long battle of attrition. About 15 rounds Johnson could have easily won on points.

 

Bravo

 

you don't understand that you don't have more reason because "fleischer said". it is only about opinions, the most of boxing historians never have been in a ****ing ring of boxing, it is exactly why you never could teach me anything about that, if anything the reverse is truth

 

and after reading the view of the biased hater...
now we can read a more coherent view
and that is the point, foreman was a green kid when he did beat TWICE an experienced very good fighter like goyo peralta who finished his career with 98-9 of record and was 82-6 when a green george stopped him .
you are landing stones on your own roof,
the fact that you have to use at example a green george or the
77 version when he was not the same guy mentally anymore it says a lot about the few resources of the people who pick johnson over foreman. the versions of george of frazier, norton or roman destroy johnson badly before he has chance to do anything

 

Biased? It's YOU that is biased. I watched every major Foreman fight live and cheered for him in every one of those bouts aside from his bout with Young. I know more about Foreman and his style(s) and what it takes to beat him much more so than YOU ever will understand. It takes great BOXING. Ali an old great boxer knocked him out. Young a good hwt contender outBOXED Foreman for a U decision in a one sided bout. Peralta a grade B hwt contender used tricky boxing to frustrate and tire George. Prime Jack Johnson, universally acclaimed as one of the greatest BOXERS ever to live, would certainly do as well as old Ali or Jimmy Young. Get to know your boxing history buddy.