Could James Toney ever have touched Roy Jones?

Toney fought 5 times in 1994 finishing with the biggest fight against Jones fighting on average every two months with a whopping 4 month break before the Jones fight.

Toney fought Anthony Hembrick at 175, Tim Littles at 168, he blew up to 182 against Vinson Durham then dropped back down to 168 in his great win against Prince Charles Williams, then he met Jones again at 168.

So somehow after scoring two KO's at super middle against two solid opponents and looking excellent doing so Toney suddenly decides to eat himself to elephantine proportions in the 4 months between the Charles Williams and Jones fights forcing him to near kill himself to make weight if the myths are to be believed?

And Roy Jones somehow was privy beforehand to the information that Toney was going to do this to himself straight after the Williams fight when their fight was announced and only agreed to the fight anticipating this?

Yep sounds believable.

 

Charles Williams was drained himself at 168, and old and shot. Never fought at 168 before or after.
Also Toney took a lot of punches himself in that fight, regardless of what the HBO crew shouted.

Toney was drained against Charles Williams, but even more drained against Roy Jones, since more time passed, and Toney's bulimia took over.
Whomever is to blame for Toney's bulimia, the fact remains that Jones never and would have never agreed to fight Toney if he thought Toney was even remotely well physically.

 

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This is my one and only account.

A corrupt journalist?

I'm being paid?

Ha!

I wish.

I'm just a regular boxing fan from Sheffield, England, who is actually out of work at the moment, due to a slipped disc.

I'm hoping to get better ASAP, but in the meantime, I'm able to post on here with more regularity.

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Frank,

Did Jackie Kallen hold Toney at gunpoint and force him to sign for the Jones fight, knowing he was out of shape?

Also, why didn't the biggest mouth in boxing, mention a rematch in the post fight interview?

Don't you think that was strange?

He never said anything about a potential rematch at a higher weight in the future.

That speaks volumes to me.

 

You may be, and you may be not.
If it is an authentic account my recommendation to you will be to study the sport's history more, so you might someday get the difference between a manufactured entertainer like Jones was, and to a lesser extent Toney was too, and a truly great fighter, whom manages to win against the odds more than just once, and in whose losses manages to keep fighting until the last bell.

Toney is stupid too and sometimes tries to be "oldskul".
I suppose 1994 was 1 of those times, or his only thought was about where is the closest junk food shop.
Toney also fooled himself more often than not, so he probably did not think about losing and is obviously not aware of his condition and never was, or he would have tried to overcome it.

 

frankenfrank,

You say this, but don't credit Floyd and SRL for being great fighters.

That's fine.

But you've said that Roy deliberately chose to fight him at his weakest, and he ran away from a rematch.

 

The fact you chose to ignore that 3 months after fighting Jones at 168 Toney was fighting at Light Heavy, and 10 months after that was fighting at Cruiser, NEVER to even attempt to fight at 168 again, just shows the biased idiocy of your post.

Toney was severely weight drained for the Jones fight. Whether or not you believe that doesn't mean ****.

 

All Toney had to do was win the rematch with Griffin and he was getting a rematch with Jones. He had done nothing up to that point to deserve one.

 

I don't think he was ignoring the rise in weight for Toney - "appalling diet and training habits" covered it. Just not giving him a pass because of it. Toney also started to believe his own press clippings, his words. That didn't do him any good either.

 

Floyd, Roy and Ray all had some talent, far less than what idiots believe that they had, but it was very cautious matchmaking and hard work (not "natural" talent) and some criminal tricks too that got them to where they got. They are all manufactured entertainers and not true greats.

And I stand by my claims especially about the deliberateness of picking on Toney at his weakest. And that was why Jackie Kallen did not let him move up to 175 before. She kept him at 168 until it was obvious for Roy and his handlers that Toney was there for the taking, and that was why Toney was angered or even hated her later. She sacrificed his record and probably his health too for that big money fight with Roy.

 

Roy was lucky that there was a really good fighter gatekeeping for his excuses to avoid Toney.
Toney did not have Jones' handlers to rush Griffin cold into the ring in his rematch with him.
Roy was also lucky that Toney had bulimia.

 

What so a guy having his 3rd fight in 12 months at 168 (winning the previous two by KO) is suddenly completely dead at the weight even though he competed successfully at that weight 4 months before, looking excellent doing so?

So Jones's own performance has to be discounted because gullible ****heads like you buy that lame **** excuse of Toney's?

A prime fighter making and successfully competing in or around that division 5 times in 11 months doesn't suddenly become a shell of himself without more than a little help from the opponent he was facing.

Or do you reckon the Tim Littles or Prince Charles Williams that Toney beat also do a number on the version of Toney that fought Jones? Sorry but Linda Lovelace wouldn't swallow that and to say otherwise shows you to be the biased fuc*ing idiot.

I've no doubt James Toney did struggle to make weight, he also struggled at 160, 175 and at 190 and probably would if there was a 230 pound heavyweight limit too. And I'll give some credence to him struggling against a Dave Tiberi in a no profile, keep fit type fight because of weight draining but in what was a big, big fight against Jones to do that to yourself after making 168 4 months previous? I call bullsh*t.

And even if he was as badly drained as you say and Jones' had nothing to do with Toney's limp **** effort I still say stiff sh*t to Toney. If you disrespect your opponent so much that you let yourself go like the myths allege then Toney utterly deserved his humiliating owning.

 

Yep.

A footwork fight. Not a trade fight like Toney needs. But James' skill set is from the waist up. Terrible matchup for him and a plodder or guy with zero lateral movement is going to be easy work for a Roy Jones.

 

Given the choice of taking him seriously, or you, I'll go with the punchin preacher every time.