Could Jeffries have beaten anyone in the 1968 Heavyweight elimination tournament?

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  1. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A world champion who always found a way to win (pre-6 year retirement), who had unlimited stamina, a powerful punch that dropped or knocked out everyone, and had the ability to take it, never having been down (pre-6-year retirement), who beat both punchers and boxers in his era, always has a chance. Winners find ways to win. He was a 230-250-pound muscular man who trained down in weight for 25-round contests. In a 12- or 15-round fight, he would improve his pace and likely weigh more than he did when he thought the fight could be 20+ rounds. Not an easy task for anyone.
     
  2. janitor

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    If Jeffries was half as good as many of his contemporaries claimed, then he might have beaten all the people on that list.
     
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  3. Steve Fero

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    How was he beaten up by a man under 170 lbs so badly if he was that good. Could you imagine what the guys you mentioned would have done to Fitz? He wouldn’t get out of the 1 st round with any of them.
     
  4. Mandela2039

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    Anybody implying Jeffries has no chance against any of these guys should seriously fact check their sources.
     
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  5. HistoryZero26

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    No barring a DQ. Jeffries is a guy who relied on size and physicality who went 45 total rounds with his smallest opponent. Thad Spencer is the weak link of the 8 and he should win by early knockout.

    Armstrong won a DQ and Fitz beat a debutant and winless guy in 1914. Other then that no one Jeffries beat won a fight after 1906. Other than Ruhlins draw with Sandy Ferguson none of Jeffries opponents did anything of note after 1904.

    Jeffries was living off the past. And even this supremacy was unclear and/or not by a very large margin. We don't really have proof he deserved to beat Bob Armstrong and Tom Sharkey(rematch) under a modern judging system. Sources could be interpreted as implying they thought Jeffries lost while refusing to say it.

    Jeffries had 5 wins over opponents older then 35 which in this case meant they were older then the Queensbury rules themselves. Could Jeffries have beaten a prime Goddard, Fitzsimmons, Peter Jackson and even Corbett? Its an open question.

    Even in 1905 there is not one iota of proof Jeffries would beat Schreck/Gardner/Root/Twin Sullivan/Tommy Burns/Marvin Hart/Philadelphia Jack O Brien. Other then bias towards the undefeated HW champ against a group of MWs. There was no pressure to give any of these shots but after they all went up to HW everything suggests that confidence was misplaced. Then you had Kaufman, Jim Barry, Lang, Squires, Iron Hague. Arthur Cripps.


    Denver Ed Martin had a case for being the best HW for a portion of Jeffries reign. He was a inch taller then Jeffries. Martin had the earliest and most abrupt decline and regression of any elite HW in history. After 1902 Martin just fell off a cliff when he was 21 and was off the top elite black circuit by the time he turned 26. Martin fought another 18 years at a lower level. He was was even a human sacrifice to Harry Wills in 1921 a fight where he was knocked down 6 times in 125 seconds. Martin wasn't "shot" but he had nothing for top HWs. Armstrong was Jeffries age and his career fizzled out in that same 1903-1904 window. Whose to say the same wouldn't have been true of Jeffries and he just hid it by not fighting?

    Armstrong and Martin had even more overpowering physical advantages then Jeffries and they were able to dominate the boxing world of 1900. Yet these advantages couldn't make them relevant in the boxing world of 1905. Which was actually smaller. I don't think Jeffries or anyone from that era has anything for guys who benefited from learning boxing when they were young from trained professionals with experience.
     
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