Could Jersey Joe Walcott defeat the big 4 of the early 30 s?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Jersey Joe V schmeling, sharkey, Carnera and baer? Jersey had a deceptively hard punch, agility and the ability to go 15 hard rounds. The jersey Joe that took Louis to a split decision, how's he doing here?
     
  2. mcvey

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    Prime Walcott could in theory beat all of them,his inconsistency would probably prevent him from doing so however.Baer and Schmeling could stop him,Sharkey I think gets beaten.

    Carnera?Watch the Ten Hoff fight. or the clip below.lol
    The dead fighter referred to in the clip, Gus Dundee, [Ernie Schaff ] was played by Pat Comiskey.
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  3. Fergy

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    Interesting clip. I actually see a Walcott v Carnera fight similar to the Bryd - vitali bout, with Jersey s movement and foxy counter punch s causing primo problems. Walcott could do some damage with those shots and I can see Jersey on his best day takin a decision or stopping him suddenly. Sharkey as well could walk in to a Walcott hook and be dropped. Baer gives him a hard time, I can see Jersey been tagged time and time again. Baer wins 9 times out of 1o. Schmeling is very dangerous and he could actually stop Joe over a long fight or early on.
     
  4. mcvey

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    The crucial differences between Vitali and Primo is Vitali had very good power and Primo did not,and also Vitali had a top chin and Primo a mediocre one. Plus Walcott was a very good, fast and accurate puncher,Byrd was a light hitting defensive master.

    Byrd was always aware that any defensive lapse in that fight could be severely punished which inhibited his attacks,all he could really hope was to avoid getting caught,with anything big and nick a decision from the Ukranian the chances of him stopping the giant with his own power was non-existant. It still puzzles me that, well in front against a much smaller, light hitting opponent ,Vitali did not choose to gut it out, he could have won the rest of the fight with one hand.
     
  5. Fergy

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    It was strange why he did that I agree. There was only a few more rounds to go and he'd have found some way to get through surely. And surely he must have realised what actually throwing the towel in would have looked. You can excuse willard against Jack, he was down seven? Time s and was getting battered. Same as tucker against seldon, his injury s were affecting his sight. Who knows what went through vitali s mind but surely he could have stayed the course a few more minutes.
     
  6. The Kentucky Cobra

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    I think he beats Carnera and Sharkey in most instances. Baer is interesting as both men could be erratic and have the tools to beat the other. Walcott could out point him or get knocked out. I think Walcott might edge him in a Trilogy. Schemling should be able to outpoint Walcott, both are great boxers that can punch, so I could see a Trilogy here.

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  7. Fergy

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    A schmeling_Walcott series of fights would be interesting. Two guys who gave Louis his hardest fight s.
     
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    I see him beating Carnera and Baer but having a tough time w Schmeling and Sharkey ..
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Walcott could beat any of the four, and also lose to anyone of the four.

    I'd favor him over Sharkey and Carrera, but by no means is the fight tin the bag. Walcott lost a lot. An " on " jack Sharkey was a top fighter in his day.

    Schmeling I think would be his toughest match up. If Baer was motivated, that one would not be over until the final bell rang for Walcott.
     
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    No way in hell would a prime Walcott lose to Carnera!
    Not" genuinely "anyway.
     
  11. Mendoza

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    No way in hell? Walcott was clipped by Abe Simon, who if you saw him on film or reviewed his record wasn't as good as Carnera.

    Carnera is a misunderstood fighter. For a big guy, he moved well, had tremendous heart, and had stamina. Walcott had chin issues ( and sometimes fought as a showboat ), and could very well be clipped at any time.
     
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    Walcott in his comeback was 25-10. Because frankly his first career is kind of irrelevant, we are talking a 4 year gap and huge difference in commitment.

    Of his 35 opponents, 28 were top 10 rated, 8 were World Title fights. Think about how insane that is. Of his 10 losses...Charles, Louis, and Maricano account for 6 of them. The other four Maxim, Layne, Allen, and Ray. He avenged 4 of his 7 conquerors with wins over Maxim, Charles, Ray, and Allen.
     
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    I get that, but 12+ different fighters defeated him and somewhere not ranked when it happened.

    Maxim, Layne, Allen, Simon and others are not as good as the 4 fighters mentioned here.

    What I'm saying is he can win or lose here. History shows us that.

    I'd pick him to go 2-2 or 3-1, but 1-3 is possible. 4-0 and 0-4 unlikely
     
  14. mcvey

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    I see you didnt read the PRIME part of my post I was expecting this puerile response which is why I included it!
    Walcott fought a pretty large assortment of bangers
    Louis x2
    Fox x2
    Sheppard x2
    Gomez
    Ray x2
    Marciano x2
    Murrayx2
    Baksi

    Not many kept him down and Carnera certainly wouldn't!
     
  15. Reinhardt

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    Schmeling is the best matchup for Walcott, be a helluva fight, I favor Max in his prime by a sliver. I think Joe is slick enough to avoid Baer and batter him for a UD.
     
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