Could Jersey Joe Walcott defeat the big 4 of the early 30 s?

He certainly could, but I am not certain that he would.

Many people today view Walcott as being better than the big four of the 30s, but this view was not generally held during his own career, and I think that it should be questioned.

I don’t think that anybody would have ranked him over Max Schmeling while he was active.

Given that Schmeling did to a young Joe Louis what Walcott could not do to a faded one, this view might not be unreasonable.

 

This is a reasoned post Schmeling could beat Walcott and Baer might find an overhand right to turn the trick ,Sharkey would have to have his best night to win,imo. Carnera I cannot see beating prime JJW under any circumstances.

 

Walcott's prime is not easy to peg.

He lost to Layne, Maxim, Allen, Simon ( Age 26 for Simon with 30+ fights under his belt ) and others, none of them were as good or dangerous as Carrera.

We are talking about a guy who lost 18 times, 6 by KO. He also has quite a few split decisions / close fights that he won vs men who were not as good as Carnera.

If Simon could keep him down, so could Carnera. I find the " no way in hell " comment funny for such an inconsistent fighter who lost to lesser talents, and barely edged others. Um, okay sure.

Keep pushing those goal posts backward.

 

You would be right to favour Walcott over Carnera, but I don't see it as a given.

Even people like Braddock, Schaff, and Farr might be able to take a win in a series against Walcott.

I have a feeling at the back of my mind that Schmeling was better than Walcott, or at least more consistent.

 

Absolutely disgraceful. A clip of Walcott pretending to hit an actor who never fought a fight in his life can present us with an image of Walcott knocking out a real champion? It no more demonstrates how Walcott fares against Lennox Lewis.


This film should offend every true historian of boxing. It insinuates that a non boxer (who cannot bust an egg) could be fraudulently bribed all the way to the title without fans realising.

 

I'm matching them prime for prime not the part time version of a boxer Walcott was when he fought Simon.
Walctoo retired for 4 years after the Simon defeat.

janitor, post: 18583737, member: 3871"]You would be right to favour Walcott over Carnera, but I don't see it as a given.

Even people like Braddock, Schaff, and Farr might be able to take a win in a series against Walcott.

I have a feeling at the back of my mind that Schmeling was better than Walcott, or at least more consistent.[/QUOTE]
I'd pick prime versions of Braddock,Schaaf,and Farr to beat Carnera. Schmeling and Walcott would split a series imo ,who would have 2 wins and who would have1 ,I would not like to guess.

 

I'm not buying this Walcott shouldn't or wouldn't beat Baer... I see Walcott avoiding the crude Baer and stopping him. Schemling is his toughest fight imo

 

Then why did Baer beat Schmeling, and why did Walcott lose to Layne?


You see the range of possibilities?

 

I'll tell you what is disgraceful.
A poster YOU using Ernie Schaaf's pitiful last fight as a means of bolstering up Carneras paucity of wins at world class level.
An example of necrophilia at its very worst!

A poster YOU deliberately putting lies in my mouth and interpreting my posts in a blatantly dishonest and unethical manner.
HOW FU*KING DARE YOU TAKE THE HIGH MORAL GROUND HERE!

True historian! You're no historian, no more than I am , and one of the few here who is, McGrain won't even debate with you anymore, you're a joke!
The man who played Toro Molina in The Harder They Fall was professional wrestler Mike Lane, I can't think of a more apt person to portray the film version of Carnera.!

 

of course, I didn't say it was impossible, but both at their best, Walcott was decisively better imo. It's about what is probably, not what's possible.

 

It's entirely possible imo.

 

I was joking!

The film is interesting because of the cast. I like Bogart in it too.

But This film so far as accuracy is concerned, should still offend historians of boxing. It insinuates that any non boxer (who cannot bust an egg) could be fraudulently bribed all the way to the title without fans realising.

 

The clip was posted as a joke.The comparison to Ten Hoff was meant seriously.

 

Ok sorry buddy.

Walcott did handle Ten Hoff rather well.