Could Jersey Joe Walcott Have Being a ATG?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    First off bat ,in my eyes Joes a great fighter anyway. Miles ahead of his time ,one of the greatest defensive heavyweight s ever. But what if the card's had been played different ?
    We have to imagine a world with no Louis and Walcott gets the backing that the Brown Bomber received. With Blackburn keeping hold of Jersey ,Joe is seen as a great talent and treated as such .
    So with no Louis around and Jersey built up as the promising star ,how far does Walcott go ??
     
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    To do so you have to believe Joe Louis was the reason Walcott never reached that level.
    Its as implification I don't completely buy into.
     
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  3. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What makes him not an ATG?
     
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  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    ATG in my eyes
     
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  5. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jersey Joe was my wild card in the heavyweight division, he was erratic but had a rough start early on and did not always have the proper nutrition and may have had to dump a few fights or put the handcuffs on to get a title shot.

    His fights against Louis, Marciano & others show us what Walcott could do on a good night. I always rate him high to upset anyone, he was skilled and had ko power in either hand, great footwork and boxing ability
     
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  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I actually think Walcott went far, despite setbacks, because he was given more opportunities than most (How many title shots?). Ultimately, he achieved his goal at a very late stage, in his career. His way up, to that point is a great story.

    I'm not sure that Joe Louis was in any way central to Walcott's setbacks, either. In any event, Walcott is an All-Time Great, to me.
     
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  7. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bare minimum can we all agree he put on ATG performances and was party to ATG sequences?
     
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  8. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Lol
     
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    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Lol no way
     
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  10. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Come on man
     
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  11. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I love the style of jersey joe but the truth is that ot is not about what could happen but what happened for real and he lost against cans. I would give you hall of fame but no atg
     
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  12. The Senator

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    Even if one makes the case for Walcott not being an ATG, he's one of my all time favorites. A truly unique, skilled, classy fighter with remarkable longevity.
     
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  13. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Walcott overcame to reach the level is what makes him an all-time great. Is it possible to reasonably speculate what could have been? Obviously there was a detriment resulting from his road, Perhaps he also benefited?
     
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  14. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I see him more as a fringe ATG, than a full ATG. It's possible his early hardships and setbacks are what made him so good though.
     
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  15. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He is an ATG in my eyes.

    Wins over Ezzard X2, Johnson, Maxim X2, Bivins and for many scribes at the time one over Louis.

    Other quality wins in Ray x2, Murray, Shepherd x2, Baksi, Simon

    Heavyweight champion of the world
    Top ranked LHW

    Good enough for me.
     
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