Could Jim Jeffries Plausibly Have Beaten Every Champ Prior To Louis?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Rainer, Jun 6, 2019.



  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Member Full Member

    245
    211
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 30, 2019
    True, to beat Jeffries in 20+ rounds with Corbett style you had to have Ali-like durability. Jim troubled Jeffries but it was just a matter of time for James to break him down. Same happened in Fitz fight.

    I also agree that Corbett would be much better in shorter distances. I see him as an extremely tough opponent to beat in 10 rounds. You need someone like Frazier to catch him in such a short bout.
     
  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Member Full Member

    245
    211
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 30, 2019
    I favor Jeffries in 20 rounds clearly over:

    Jim Corbett
    Bob Fitzsimmons
    Marvin Hart
    Tommy Burns
    Jess Willard
    Jack Sharkey
    Primo Carnera

    I'd probably pick Jeffries over:

    John Sullivan
    Max Schmeling
    Gene Tunney
    Max Baer

    I'd pick:

    Jack Johnson
    Jack Dempsey
    Joe Louis
    over Jeffries.
     
    Gudetama likes this.
  3. expljose

    expljose Active Member Full Member

    871
    143
    Sportsbook:
    1,738
    Nov 6, 2013
    anyone before 1910 beats anyone after 1920 duh it's the classic section
     
  4. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

    716
    428
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 2, 2019
    Tunney might be problematical ,but your choices are informed ones ,imo.
     
    Jason Thomas likes this.
  5. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Member Full Member

    245
    211
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 30, 2019
    Tunney would school Jeffries in 10 rounder like he did with Dempsey, but I'm not sure he's durable enough to take punishment from Jeff for 20 rounds. Gene is simply not proven enough against elite HW punchers.
     
    Jason Thomas likes this.
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

    47,809
    4,305
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Jun 29, 2007
    That's not a round by round report. I would not put much stock into it. A round by round report of the action that is primay with the location of the fight in its back yard such as the Brooklyn Union ( or the NY times ), like I posted is far better than a guy from 1900 somehow doing punch stats. Jeffries won quite a few rounds before the 17th.

    Those reports ( Brooklyn Union and NY times ) are about even on rounds.

    Don't buy all the web stories like Corbett saying he was up 22-0, the fight itself doesn't always play out like quotes might suggest. Research will show you. Even on filmed fights, the press stories that lives on doesn't always match up to the ring action.
     
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2019
    BitPlayerVesti likes this.
  7. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

    716
    428
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 2, 2019
    Just as many papers had Corbett in a good lead.Corbett of course was bigging himself up.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    39,173
    6,124
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Feb 11, 2005
    Pretty close to where I stand. I would favor Willard, Tunney and Baer over him, too.
     
  9. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

    716
    428
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 2, 2019
    I can accept that Tunney might have the wheels to outbox him from range,we have the Corbett example as a yardstick ,could Willard keep him on the end of his telegraph pole jab possibly?.Baer had that right hand wallop and Jeffries looked open to right hands in the Ruhlin fight both had great chins.
     
  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Member Full Member

    245
    211
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 30, 2019
    Willard case is interesting because he's so huge and durable. He wouldn't beat Jeffries to the punch though and James wouldn't try to knock him out with head shots like Johnson tried. Jeffries would go to his body and sustaining it for 20 rounds is really tough.

    The only scenario which I can see Willard winning is if James tried to prove he's stronger man and didn't fight agressively but tried to maul Jess in clinches. If he didn't attack Jess body and fought at very slow tempo, I can see him losing.
     
    Rainer likes this.
  11. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

    716
    428
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 2, 2019
    Chances are Jeffries beats Jess imo and if he begins to walk through Baer's right hand I think Maxie would become discouraged enough to tacitly just try to survive.
     
    Jason Thomas likes this.
  12. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Member Full Member

    338
    345
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Jun 1, 2018
    Jeffries defeats Hart, Burns, Willard and is 50-50 over Primo, Baer, and Braddock, assuming he picks up his game in accordance with the skills of the eras. His chances end right there, IMO.
     
  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

    47,809
    4,305
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Jun 29, 2007
    Right. You have to be careful quoting Corbett. He not the most honest man about what happened in the ring. A real hot head type, who felt his KO loss to both Fitzsimmons and Jeffries was a " fluke ". A 1897 and 1900 version of Lennox Lewis lottery punch if you will.
     
    BitPlayerVesti likes this.
  14. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

    716
    428
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    May 2, 2019
    I'd never quote Corbett as a definitive source, nor any other fighter referring to themselves and their fights.
    Corbett said he was so far in front he was picturing the headlines in the next morning's papers,and lost concentration,only to be caught by a lucky punch.Jeffries said he had tried the punch several times but had been unable to land it.
    Jeffries ascribed his loss to Johnson to drugged tea.Foreman said he was drugged, Burns said he was just about to get his second wind when the fight with Johnson was stopped.Fitz said he was drugged in his first fight with Jeffries.It's all ego & BS,imo.
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019
  15. Grapefruit

    Grapefruit Active Member Full Member

    948
    562
    Sportsbook:
    1,000
    Dec 19, 2017
    He probably beats burns, maybe beats Johnson at his best maybe, the problem with Jefferies is that's theres not much film of him and a whole lotta myth about him, so who knows.
     

Share This Page