Could Jimmy Wilde beat a top modern Flyweight?

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  1. Unforgiven

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  2. McGrain

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    Yeah, he proved it by beating much bigger guys "with skills", as they say, in his own era.

    The things minimum/light-flyweight Jimmy Wilde did above flyweight are what make him really spooky. Like when you talk about his being p4p ATG #1 type material, even though I know that's wrong it kind of makes sense type spooky :lol:

    He's a trip, technically weird, enormously durable, huge power...sounds like someone else that gets matched with much bigger men around these parts, yeah :lol:

    The really fun part is to imagine what he would do to modern 105/108 guys. A modern Wilde would ravage these divisions. Then, on the steroids, all the way up to feather.
     
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  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I think he looked more skilled than the modern ones at that weight I've seen.
     
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  4. mcvey

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    Wilde does not look very "modern" when we see what footage of him there is.In contrast Benny Lynch looks like he could fit in easily today .
     
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  5. roughdiamond

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    In my opinion, yes, definitely.

    His judgement of distance was ridiculously good.

    And the power...
     
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  6. Smokin Bert

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    Absolutely.
     
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  7. Seamus

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    No doubt in my mind. You add up all the recorded bouts down to the booth fights it might be 400 fights. Whatever he did, and however it looks on the film we have, it worked exceedingly well and pared down from all those rounds.
     
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  8. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Wilde destroys everyone 115 and below, though Wilde vs Shiro would be a fun fight.
     
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  9. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You think he destroys Inoue?
     
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  10. janitor

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    If any weight class has degraded over time, then it is surely flyweight!

    As the super heavyweight talent pool gets bigger, the flyweight talent pool surely shrinks?

    The golden era of flyweights was surely in the early part of the 20th century?
     
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  11. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    I would certainly favor Wilde. I also believe Inoue is overrated
     
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  12. McGrain

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    I don't think so, at all actually. Estrada, Viloria, Yaegashi, Calderon, Shiro, Minayothin, these guys would be interesting in any era, and I think Gonzalez would dominate most eras, at least for a spell and Inoue is obviously upper, upper echelon for however long he can hold the poundage, whenever. What's hurt the 112lbs division isn't a dearth of talent, it's the division of that talent between three different divisions at any one time. Even now, mash the three together and you have a pretty good bunch.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    Naoya Inoue is at 118lbs now.

    If he's overrated, so is everyone else breathing.
     
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  14. Bukkake

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    So the early part of the 20th century, with very little (if any at all!) boxing in places like Mexico, Nicaragua, Argentina, Africa, Japan, Thailand, South Korea... that was a stronger flyweight era than today?
     
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  15. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, to make it clear, I should have said "115 or less Inoue".

    And as you say, it's hard to see how he's overrated. No boxer is flawless - but Inoue looks VERY impressive. To my eyes, anyway.
     
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