Could Jimmy Wilde beat a top modern Flyweight?

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just picking a decade I would say 1970 flys hold their own against other eras. It just happens to be an under appreciated division then and today....but not because the talent is lacking there.
     
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  2. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    I don't even rank him in my current top 10 p4p
     
  3. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Seriously?

    Who is your top 10?
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Pretty much indefensible that tbh. Dude has beaten 2 out-and-out divisional #1s. Guy has been a divisional leader of three separate divisions. There are not ten fighters in the world anywhere near that level of excellence.
     
  5. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, it's strange… some people live in the past and refuse to recognize exceptional talent, even if it's right in front of them.
     
  6. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Wait nevermind he does

    1. Oleksandr Usyk
    2. Canelo Alvarez
    3. Bud Crawford
    4. Vasyl Lomachenko
    5. Errol Spence Jr
    6a. Anthony Joshua
    6b. Tyson Fury
    8. Naoya Inoue
    9. Mikey Garcia
    10. Gennady Golovkin


    Wooooops (Garcia was well ahead of him before he lost to Spence)

    I'm considering putting Spence above Loma and Fury above AJ
     
  7. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Wilde would be the dominant force around today. From what I've seen on film, Wilde had an extremely great judgement of distance, and great shot selection, alongside his power. He looked great in the Symmonds bout.

    Kenshiro, Kyoguchi and Tanaka are quality fighters today, but Wilde beats them.

    Also, the thought of Wilde on steroids makes me lol. Would he even need them?
     
  8. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anyone with that type of power has to be taken seriously in any era.

    No one at 115 or under has an easy night against Wilde.
     
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  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Another unknown fighter for modernists, they prefer acting like he didn't exist and focus in Luis Firpo as a proof how terrible boxing was back then!
     
  11. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Wilde had a very developed, but quite weird, style. I am still finding it hard to get to grips with his. Jim Driscoll is the example I would use if you are that annoyed lol.

    I am looking it up though. Apparently, one of the men who trained Wilde was a legendary Welsh Mountain fighter called Dai Davies / Dai Dollings (I am still unsure whether these two are separate people or one in the same), who trained the ATG trainer Ray Arcel in ways of fighting after migrating to America after achieving training fame. Welsh mountain fighting had some similarities with LPR, in that men could recover for as long as they needed and a bout would only end with a KO or conceding defeat. This may explain his weird but effective techniques.

    https://historyofbkb.weebly.com/mountain-fighting.html

    https://www.ringnews24.com/2016/08/...ed-shape-robert-de-niros-latest-boxing-movie/

    http://www.welshboxers.com/hall-of-fame/dai-dollings/
     
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  12. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was Davies. That was his father in law. Dollings didn’t have anything to do with Wilde.

    Lawrence Davies wrote three excellent books on that period of Welsh boxing. One was about the Mountain Fighters, the other focused on the booths and Jack Scarrott, the other back to bare knuckle. Mountain fighters and Prize Fighters are excellent books but I imagine hard to find.
     
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  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I don't know. Which of Wilde's opponents used technique and tactics most similar to those of a top modern flyweight?
     
  14. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Thanks. I will update my thread with it now