Could Joe Calzaghe still be undefeated if he fought Roy Jones Jr's opponents?

In other words, you haven't watched Hopkins's fights during his actual prime. atsch

If you had, you'd know he looked so much better then that he ever did post-2004, and you'd know Jermain Taylor wasn't a bad style match-up for Hopkins at all, he'd have got crushed back when Hopkins had energy and power.

Are you going to admit you haven't seen Hopkins's fights from 96-03? :think

Nope, you ****ing braindead, I said Tito lost heart AFTER Winky, that's why he retired, read what I wrote!! atschatschatsch

YOU CANNOT READ PROPERLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! :nut

Trinidad destroyed Cherifi and Mayorga. Much like he destroyed Joppy and Vargas. I don't understand what your point is.

If you seriously still believe Trinidad was "past his best" when he was p4p#2 and had just demolished the WBA mw champ at the age of 29, I think you should check into rehab to dry out son, your brain is pickled!

 

One more thing for you Popkins, Let's see what Bernard Hopkins himself says

Even Hopkins himself feels that Pavlik was the best performance of his career :rofl:deal

[url]http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/33899/boxer-bernard-hopkins[/url]

 

Proves nothing you fool. :nono

IMO, the best single all-round performance of Pernell Whitaker's career was the second Buddy McGirt fight at welterweight in 1994, which was after Pea's absolute peak.

(this is because I've watched a lot of boxing and understand such things are possible, whereas you haven't and don't)


IMO, the best single all-round performance of Azumah Nelson's career was the second Jeff Fenech fight at superfeatherweight in 1992, which was after Nelson's absolute peak.

(this is because I've watched a lot of boxing and understand such things are possible, whereas you haven't and don't)


There are countless examples of fighters who turned in special performances after their absolute peak periods had passed. Whitaker was at his very best as a lightweight in the late 80s/cusp of 90s, Nelson was at his very best as a featherweight in the mid-late 80s, but their stand-out nights can be argued to have came later, because of many things, circumstances, opportunities, opponents, etc.

You just don't have a very good understanding of boxing is all. :deal

 

Has nothing to do with Hopkins :roflatsch

Bernard Hopkins, the man himself feels that Pavlik was the best performance of his career

There's no way you can argue with that :deal

 

PS: IMO, Hopkins was far more impressive all-round vs Trinidad than he was against Pavlik anyway. Watch both fights. Hopkins is better against Tito, for sure.

 

atsch You are 8 years old.

So if a fighter says something, it's "right" then?

Have fun finding the several billion ridiculous fighter quotes out there then, and basing your opinions on them, rather than watching the fights yourself!!! atschatschatsch

 

Whose opinion holds more worth when talking about the career of Bernard Hopkins?

Bernard Hopkins himself

or

Popkins


I'm going to go with Bernard Hopkins lol::rofl

:hi::hi:

 

Knockout Artist logic... :nut

“I made a lot of mistakes out of the ring, but I never made any in it.”

—Jack Johnson

Jack Johnson says he never made ANY mistakes in the ring so...

Coz he said it!!

This guy is 8 years old, for sure. Can't read, has the brain of a child, hasn't seen any fights.

I bet this is the case.

 

Even if Bernard thinks doing what he did to Pavlik at that advanced age equates his best performance (which it wasn't), it still doesn't mean he was at his peak, as you've already been shown examples of fighters who turned in career-best performances AFTER their peaks.

But that point got glossed over because you don't know anything about the careers of Pernell Whitaker and Azumah Nelson...

 

How childish, do you really think that's the same thing?

You can't comeback to it.

Hopkins was asked, what does he feel is the best performance of his career, and he answered Pavlik. It's not the same thing, you keep on downplaying it to suit your agenda, but it was easily one of his finest, and even he feels it to be his best :hi:

 

Obviously it was one of his finest, but it wasn't his best, and even if it was, it doesn't prove he was at his peak, see previous post.

Even you must admit, I have dominated you on this thread :smoke You've been proven wrong every step of the way, from your embarrassing reading comprehension fails to your dire lack of boxing knowledge.

 

This thread is becoming a farce... Mikkel Kessler is/was a very good fighter... Joe Calzaghe was a great figther, a special fighter. People who won't admit this are idiots who are blinded by hate and actually not really boxing fans.

Could Calzaghe have beaten everyone on RJJ resume??? Maybe he could...

 

Well done, after trying to play it down you admit it's one of his finest. That came right after the loss to Calzaghe, so obviously Calzaghe deserves plenty of credit for the win :deal

 

atschatschatsch I have never, ever said anywhere that Pavlik was not one of Hopkins's finest wins.

Show me where I have ever said this? :smoke You can't. You lose, again.


I can't credit Calzaghe with winning a fight I scored against him. I thought he was underwhelming and unimpressive in a fight against a more faded version of the faded B-Hop who got outworked by Jermain Taylor 3 years earlier. The fight was close than B-Hop's fights with Tarver and Pavlik because Calzaghe forced a fast pace (like Taylor did) whereas Tarver and Pavlik didn't. That's my assessment of it, have seen the fight many, many times. :good

 

If your skilled your skilled, Muhammad Ali & Joe Louis are amongst the best ever looking fighters on film regardless of weight class. If your good, your good, its not easier to be more skilled just because your smaller, that`s crazy.

Also... I`m not saying Lewis wasn`t a great fighter, he was the best HW of the 90s likely but the era (like so many other HW era`s) wasn`t near the strongest in all of the weight classes in his time.

I know the HWs always have the higher chance of being taken out via one punch but they are all in the same boat, same as every other guy in each weight class are on the same level playing field as each other, I don`t give HWs any more points than for eg. FWs, especially when those FWs were guys like Morales, Barrera, Marquez & pacquiao.... guys that have the sort of in ring ability & technique that Lewis`s opponents could only wet dream of.