Could Joe Calzaghe still be undefeated if he fought Roy Jones Jr's opponents?

LHW Johnson at his best... was bigger and stronger than Joe... He was a busy fighter as well.. He had an good chin, would not have been bothered by Joe's power... He would have come at Joe and tried to smother and bully him.. Joe never experienced that kind of pressure, at that weight especially...

I am not saying Joe would have lost... But the Joe that fought Hopkins and Jones, would have had a rough night with the Johnson that fought Jones. All other fights aside.

 

I am actually surprised that this many people on ESB think Joe could have been successful at MW, SMW and LHW as long as Jones was without dropping a fight.

 

You got the giant swinging **** part correct, at least....

 

The USA is the mecca of boxing, they put on fights with boxers from all over the world and on the biggest stage. The US promotors sign fighters from worldwide.

STOP comparting this to a euro country like the UK.

The fact is the UK only ever has a big fight if a local boy is fighting, thats the difference and thats why they are hometown fights


So stop that

 

Aye, he beats all of those. The man was like kryptonite to the Yanks, they just couldn't live with him.

 

Ofc NOT..he would get smashed by tarver,toney,johnson,prime hopkins(i gave the fight to bhop in their fight as well)...reggie johnson would give him a lot of problems and beat him as well as mccallum would.

 

calzaghe beat the **** outta rjj

forever his papi

 

While Glen Johnson was obviously a better fighter at LHW, you can't just ignore all of the losses at 168 and pretend they didn't happen. At the higher weight, aside from the knockout of a shot Jones, he has clear decisions over Harding and Woods, a disputed win over Tarver (reversed), and a bunch of close decision losses. While he was one of the unluckiest fighters of recent years in terms of decisions, not all of his losses were robberies, and being in so many close fights means you are going to get the short straw from time to time.

He'd give Calzaghe a good fight, but I don't think he had the size or power to nullify Calzaghe's energizer bunny punch output.

Tarver is a different story, being a rangy southpaw with a dangerous left hand. I could see Calzaghe outworking him, but over 3 fights Tarver would either land a bomb or be on one of his inspired nights.

Not sure how to judge Calzaghe against a green, middleweight Hopkins. What weight would they fight at?

Toney-Calzaghe depends on which Toney turns up. He was so hot and cold that you've got an ample body of evidence to support any scenario.

 

To me its sort of unfair to not include Ruiz, but say "by timeline"

It was a huge obstacle, for Roy, and it certainly had an ultimate effect on how the Tarver and Johnson fights went.

Would Joe at his best beat Tarver and Johnson? most likely..

Would he have been able to do it in Roy's shoes? Declining, cutting muscle weight in his mid 30's?

 

Agreed. It made you look rather silly. :smoke

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So, in the face of clear evidence, do you accept that it is perfectly possible that an undefeated fighter who has achieved more than his opponent is capable of, can lose a fight to someone with many losses to inferior fighters? :think

It's all the about the styles and the attributes and how they match up chump.

Deciding on a hypothetical purely based on who lost least is bogus bull****. :deal

 

So give me your expert breakdown of how Johnson beats Calzaghe and I will have great pleasure in ripping it apart for you.

 

Johnson at that weight was bigger and stronger than Joe IMO...

He would have jumped on Joe from the first round on, smothering him and would not have let up... Joe was never attacked like that at LHW.. And Joe lacked the power to hurt Glen, you can pretty much rule out a knockout.

Now, am I saying Joe wouldn't be able to adjust and outwork Glen? no.. but you have to admit, you can't rule out the possibility of a Johnson victory based on Johnson losing 9 times..

Either way, it would be a very good fight, fought at a high work rate.

 

What are you blabbering about ?

Be quiet fool.:yep

 

You just got your ass resoundingly kicked in debate by me. Glad to oblige. :smoke

And Mind Reader has already explained why a Calzaghe vs Johnson fight at 175lbs would be highly competitive indeed.

If you look back at my first post on this thread, you will see that Johnson was not one of the fighters from Roy's resume that I said would beat Joe, only that he had a chance.

It was your thoroughly bone-headed and reductive "analysis" of their fight that made me intervene to educate you, not a strong conviction that Johnson would beat Calzaghe. :good

 

This fight would undoubtedly go to the scorecards...

You would also have to take into account what the judges would be looking for... Maybe they didn't like pitter patter punches that night, and thought Johnson's shots maybe fewer but were more effective.:yep He would certainly be there trading with Joe all night, some of the time I am positive Johnson would have the better of the exchanges.