Could Joe Calzaghe still be undefeated if he fought Roy Jones Jr's opponents?

PS: Lewis is clearly greater than Calzaghe, and by a substantial margin. :good

 

Did this guy seriously just cut off half my sentence again, to try and prove he's right when he clearly isn't???!?

Surely not.

I'll re-post again and own this imbecile all over again just to make sure...

Hmmm...


Did I say that? :think

Sorry pal, you failed your reading comprehension test. Go to the back of the class next to Failey and Prof I C Chins. atsch









PS:

Hopkins has beaten a prime HOF-class fighter, and he does possess at least one special career achievement IMO, so he meets the criteria not once but twice. atsch

Mayweather has a special career achievement, plus he possesses a special skillset IMO. Both meet my criteria, you're still wrong twice. :smoke

PPS: I write Calzaghe's "win" over Hopkins off because I thought Hopkins clearly won the fight, despite being well past his 1996/7-2002/3 prime.

 

Your logic is that a 29 year old Felix Trinidad coming off 2 of the very best wins/performances of his career (Joppy, Vargas) was past his best because he "did nothing" afterwards...

...I guess Jeff Lacy was past his best at the time he fought Calzaghe then? :smoke


Don't beat yourself up about this, I am always harpooning silly, weak criteria/statements on here, is just what I do. Tito Trinidad was looking sensational going into the Hopkins fight, you should watch Trinidad vs Joppy and Trinidad vs Vargas, and you'll see how silly you've been. Boxrec is a good resource, but it isn't a replacement for watching fights, and understanding circumstances/contexts. You'll learn. :good

 

Lewis`s biggest wins had question marks of some sort over them, Holyfield (past prime, still struggled the 2nd time)... Tyson (borderline shot)... Vitali (stopped on cut, was losing the fight, never granted a rematch & retired)

Mix that in with the fact the HW division has always been one of the weaker divisions (70s aside)... his 2 KO losses in his prime... struggles with an old Mercer & Bruno.... I actually see it as an insult to have him in the top 3 HWs ever tbh.

I have Lewis around the 8-10 mark myself.... I also think its pretty clear from the film footage that Calzaghe was a more talented fighter than Lewis, its not even that close IMO.

I mean it wasn`t that long ago on here that some donkey was trying to tell me that Lewis was a greater fighter than Erik Morales & Marco Antonio Barrera :-(... that`s the complete bull**** I`m having to deal with here at times regarding Lewis, he`s overrated in a big, big way on here.

 

More liked ? yes... greater fighter ? Nah.

 

So, winning a close fight on your card by 1 point = `Hopkins clearly won the fight` ? :huh

A blind man could see that there was no clear winner in this fight, Hopkins ****ed it for himself though by doing so little offensively... & IMO he was on the way out (thanks to Calzaghe`s tremendous pressure & persistence) before faking that low blow, he more or less admitted Calzaghe was his superior by commiting that act.

Ps. not that it really matters but just for the record, most people scored a close fight for Calzaghe in this one so like it or not a close fight is not an injustice no matter who gets it so conveniently `writting off` Calzaghe`s win here doesn`t change the reality. Calzaghe beat Hopkins on his own turf, that`s what really went down :thumbsup

 

I will agree, Hopkins dominated & schooled very good version of Trinidad, to say Tito was past it in the Hopkins fight is crazy IMO.

 

Yes, Calzaghe ducked Glen Johnson on three different occasions. You seem more confident than Calzaghe was. Johnson at his best would have been a tough night for Calzaghe. It's why Calzaghe avoided him with a fake back injury, twice, that suddenly healed up once Johnson moved on to fight someone else.

 

That is not bold, those are capital letters Berol. atsch

 

joe gets a lot of hate on here and its understandable. floyd and him r similar in many ways in that they chose the easy route and avoided facing their toughest challenges head on.

sugar ray leonard would have been 36 & 0 if he chose the same route as floyd and joey c as well

 

Hopkins won the fight by 4 points. For people who know how to score boxing, it wasn't a particularly close fight. :good

 

Greater fighter... yes. Greater fighter... yes.

 

Agreed. Though Knockout Artist isn't crazy I don't think, just a teenage moron who thinks cutting off half of peoples' sentences is an acceptable form of debate.