Could Joe taste defeat the same as Enzo?...

you misunderstand.

i was simply saying we never say a younger "primer" version of winky fight at 168 or 175. so we don't know if he'd carry the weight any better. that boy's gonna need his legs to get out of kesslers way, the legs that went missing when he moved up to the weight range when a bit past it against 'nard.

 

In terms of dirty fighting? I'd say Bika owns Hopkins in the headbutt, elbows and forearm shivers category.

 

Yes

Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Jeff Lacy & Mikkel Kessler.

50/50 with Byron Mitchell.

I'd give Bika, Brewer, Veit & Mkrtchian class shots at beating him also.

Every legit top 10 SMW he's fought.:yep

I do, that's why I am standing from a more intelligent and well researched stance.

Try again next time.

 

That's what I was talking about. Obviously Hopkins is so many levels above Bika is nots even funny... HOW each go about their "dirty fighting", is what also sets them apart, imo.

 

Come on... Brewer, Veit, Mkrtchian and Bika would ALL lose, and fairly handily at that.

Byron Mitchell is as far from a 50-50 fight as you can get, and lump in Jeff Lacy and Robin Reid, too.

And the Chris Eubank that fought Calzaghe? Maybe THAT one is 50-50, with a slight lean towards Taylor.

Kessler, imo, is the only definate you can rate over Taylor. But that's not saying anything bad about Calzaghe. His resume has always been seen as quite limited.

 

I dunno. Hopkins is 100x the fighter Bika is...but Bika is much much dirtier than Hops.

The diff is Hops gets away with it easier.

 

Taylor wouldn't have beaten a prime Reid, he'd have lost a competitive decision.

Taylor wouldn't have beaten a pre-Calzaghe/pre-injury Lacy, a pressure fighter is his undoing and Lacy is being underrated here. We must remember that the sloppy Pavlik has two wins over Taylor.

Mitchell/Taylor is 50/50, Mitchell was slow, but had okay skills and crushing punching power, Taylor fades late, if Mitchell catches him late, Taylor's going to get KTFO or stopped just like Liles did. If you don't remember, Liles was a better fighter than Taylor.

If Ouma can back Taylor up to the ropes and steal rounds, why can't Mkrtchian? Have you ever seen Mkrtchian fight?

And last, Eubank KO's Taylor, there's no way Taylor can win that fight. Eubank's right hand would land very frequently on Taylor and it's a peach of a punch, much stronger than Pavlik's.

Everyone seems to be of the opinion that Taylor has great boxing skills with endless stamina and good power, it's simply not the case. He has GOOD boxing skills with a bad defence, good speed and bad stamina/poor timing with average power.

 

I thnk Hops is the more effective dirty fighter. A blatant head butt or low blow doesn't make you "dirtier"... As is his skill level, I believe Hopkins is a much *better* dirty fighter than Bika.

Either or; Calzaghe hasn't seen Hopkins style. So yeah, Hopkins will bring something that Calzaghe hasn't seen.

Still, Calzaghe UD.

 

who's better than Kessler?

Hell! Oscar, Tarver, Wright, Taylor, Tito...

Wake up, Kessler has fought nobody and same with Calzaghe...

Beating Lacy and Kessler is no claim to fame. Calzaghe has beat a total of 0 HOF.

Bernard beat at least 3.

 

Calzaghe fans are so ignorant...

You guys are in for a rude awakening.

 

Your opinion, but I disagree.

The sloppy Pavlik? So I assume you rate Lacy as a better fighter than Pavlik? I don't, and I scored the second fight for Jermain. So I'd go with Jermain, in a competitive decision.

Mitchell was average. Was never mentioned (even with the WBA title) until he lost a close decision to Ottke, which had a few claiming robbery. Then Calzaghe fights him, and he's all of a sudden a better fighter? Not for me. The bloke lost to a FADING Ottke at that (close, but still, he LOST). Jermain ain't losing to a guy who loses to a fading Ottke.

Only against Calzaghe, but that's all I needed.

The same Eubank who was CLEARLY fading, having even previously announced his retirement? The same Eubank who outside of guys who only their families would know, lost all of his last fights (Collins twice, Calzaghe, and Thompson twice)?

At the time Calzaghe got to him, there's a few fighters I could think of that would be 50-50 or slight favourites. Taylor being one of them.

I agree with most of the last sentence. GOOD boxing skills, average defence, good speed and average stamina. And good power.

Not an overly special fighter, but a good fighter nonetheless - who UNLIKE a certain other fighter, fights the BEST nearly every fight. When the certain other figthter takes ten damn years to do so!

 

Oh no you didn't just say that Calz beat 0 HOFers....Oh wait, :huh I'm pretty sure your correct. :yep

 

It had to be my boxing insight that enlightened you to your new views of the fight... Pat on the back for me!!:smoke