Could Joshua have better resistance than Wilder in fighting Fury?

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  1. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why everyone forgets Fury is feather-fisted? He is probably lightest hitting guy in top10, maybe even top15. Wilder was so badly hurt since round 3, he should really be gone from the ring by round 5.
    Great heart shown by Wilder but his chin is poor quality, Joshua's chin ain't good either but I can't see Fury stopping him or even badly hurting him.
     
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  3. Pompey Junglist

    Pompey Junglist Active Member Full Member

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    I make it about 60-40 in favour of Fury against Joshua.

    Joshua is a far better boxer than Wilder but the big headache for him is strategy.

    What if he comes in lean and mobile like for Ruiz 2? I'm still not convinced he can box at distance to a win at the cards. Even at 19st Fury has speed, stamina and ring craft plus the ability to really hurt AJ in exchanges and drain him in clinches. Fury would also be confident of taking whatever AJ can land in close.

    What if AJ comes in heavier like in Ruiz 1? He can potentially hurt Fury more but Tyson would fancy his chances of comfortably winning the rounds at range with his superior skills and there's a real danger AJ's gas tank gets drained and at some point he's clipped and goes stiff as a plank as per.

    If you were on AJ's team how would you go about beating this current Fury?
     
  4. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In a hypothetical neutral judging fight, Fury is a 9:1 favorite to beat Joshua, in the UK with Joshua given all the advantages possible, Fury is still a very big favorite. Joshua size-boxing advantages are neutralized immediately by Fury bigger Size, Joshua can't trade because he has the weaker chin & is more prone to quit. So Joshua odds will be based on favorable factors (ref, judging, ring size...etc) & he will still be a massive underdog.
     
  5. reckless

    reckless Active Member Full Member

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    Joshua has much more physical strength and punch resistance than Wilder, he won't be rag dolled around either, plus he's got a great uppercut.

    He should come in at his usual 245-250lb weight if he ever does fight Fury.
     
  6. Frankus

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    Wilder needed to throw uppercut when Fury was coming in with his head low, which was happening often. He just didn't have it in him to make the adjustment. AJ has a monstrous uppercut and far better ring IQ. If he times it right, he'll keep Fury off him and perhaps even score a KD with it.
     
  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Fury main weapon against Wilder was putting his weight on the Wilder and that tired him pretty quickly. Also putting Wilder on the back foot, where the guy can`t box. Wilder is terrible boxer.
    And here is the problem for Fury. He can`t do the same with Joshua, because clinching Joshua is terrible idea. Joshua is explosive in the clinches and doesn`t let you clinch him, he strat throwing hooks and uppercut, and he can KO you with any shots in his arsenal, and thats left hook, right hook, right cross, uppercut.
    Wilder find Fury with 4 or 5 right hands in this match, but the guy is terrible boxer and doesn`t have combo punches in his arsenal. The moment Joshua find Fury with any punch, he will continue with barrage and Fury will be layed on the canvas.
    Unlike what people are saying here, Joshua has pretty decent chin and can stand a lot of punches, and the only way to get him out of there is either insane strong right hand aka how Klitschko send him to the canvas or barrage of punches aka Ruiz. And tho this is true, Joshua improved from this matches.
    And lets see the other available tactic Fury can have in this matchup and this is the tactic from first fight with Wilder and the tactic with Klitschko.
    The problem here is, he will have to rely on clinching again, and then he will be open for Joshua power attack.
    Also if Wilder can catch Fury and send him to the floor twice, you can bet Joshua can done much better.
    I just don`t see how Fury can outbox Joshua on the outside for full 12 rounds, without getting hit by power shots and most probably be KOed.
    Now don`t bring me Klitschko fight, because Klitschko was 38-39 at that fight and very well past it. His speed wasn`t the same, his movement wasn`t the same, his jab wasn`t the same, and his punches doesn`t have the same snap, and most importantly his cardio and punch output was declined a lot, he have to pace himself and throw 70% less, then compare to his younger version with Manny Steward. Thats why he relied so much on clinches lately, because he couldn`t go 12 rounds with throwing as much as he use to, and he doesn`t have the cardio to move with his footwork for 12 rounds.
    So Joshua will have way higher punch output and will put a high pace and i don`t see how Fury can stand to it.
    Joshua is just terrible styled for Fury. I would even said that Wilder have higher chance against Joshua, than Fury.

    And btw Fury chin is somewhere in the average level, which mean he eventually be KOed.
     
  8. RightLeftCombo

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    Fury's not that feather fisted, lads. Check out the state of Wilder after the fight. Tyson stopped Chisora in their second bout too.
    People keep under estimating him, he keeps proving them wrong.

    AJ is a better boxer than Deontay though, but I think a sharp Fury in the form we saw on Saturday would be favorite over the recent AJ we've seen, so Fury has to maintain his focus.
     
  9. Brighton bomber

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    Joshua isn't Wilder he wouldn't have Fury pressing him and trying to take him out like he did vs Wilder. Pressing Joshua would play into Joshua's hands as he has power not only from long range like Wilder but up close too, with hooks and uppercuts.

    But in some hypothetical matchup where Joshua is some how taking a beating up close and being manhandled like Wilder was, I think he'd probably take the shots a bit better than Wilder.

    Joshua took bigger shots off Wlad and kept ticking, it's when he holds his feet and leaves himself to be countered that he's vulnerable, we saw that vs Whyte, Wlad and Ruiz. But when he's seen the shot coming, is braced or rolls with the shot like Wilder was with Fury, he's generally taken the shots well.

    So I think Joshua is a bit more durable, but because he doesn't move his head or upper body enough he's also more likely than Wilder to get caught flush with a monster counter, so that extra bit of durability might not mean much when he's caught with bigger shots. Can Joshua take a big counter off of Fury, probably. He''l go down, but I expect him to get up like he usually does.
     
  10. dangerousity

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    If fury fights joshua the same way he fought wilder, fury gets stopped.

    Joshua is much better on the inside and has the weight and strength to match fury.
     
  11. eltirado

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    • Joshua got stopped by Andy Ruiz, hurt badly by older Wlad
    • Fury got up from a 12 RD KO, Out-boxed Wlad In & Out
    Tyson Fury is a 9:1 Favorite vs Anthony Joshua, saying Joshua will stop Fury is based on pure wishes (not even superstition or intuition)
     
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  12. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Fury probably mashes him quicker than he did Wilder.
     
  13. lbarrow

    lbarrow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I believe fury would beat Joshua like I always have but I still feel the same as I did before about it. I wont let this wilder victory make me overrate fury. I've known for years that fury is best of this era. Joshua has now strangely become underrated and fury would need to box like he did against wladimir for the first 7 rounds against Joshua and then check his stamina with a stronger second half to the fight. I said straight after first wilder fight that he needs to be more aggressive against Wilder but against Joshua I hope he would have slightly different gameplan as Joshua is a more complete fighter than wilder
     
  14. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    He does have better defence so possibly. But I don't think Fury would fight on the front foot like he did at the weekend against AJ, I suspect he'd fight in his more 'normal' back foot style
     
  15. lbarrow

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    Very good post. I think if I was Joshua I'd go for somewhere around how he boxed wlad. Know that he is gonna get out boxed but try to set up big attacks under a more orthodox boxing stance unlike wilder. Joshua needs to box but also punch with intention everytime he gets close enough
     
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