Could juan manuel marquez be undefeated ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by freddy-wak, Sep 17, 2009.


  1. warriorking

    warriorking Active Member Full Member

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    Why did norwood deserve the nod?? please explain
     
  2. warriorking

    warriorking Active Member Full Member

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    1. lossed due to a head butt in his very first bout! DQ
    2. he lost a decision to freddie norwood... most people felt JMM deserved the nod.. he outlanded norwood
    3. I watched the john vs. jmm 2 times and JMM was clearly robbed in indonesia
    4. Now manny, the fights were so close they could of gone either way.. I think that manny may have edged out JMM in the second bout, But it was soo damn close I cant really call it a loss.. So yes JMM could be undefeated
     
  3. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    You can definitely make a valid argument for him being undeafeated.

    John was a hometown decision.

    JMM won the first Pacquiao fight 113-112 in my eyes.

    I think the 2nd fight was a draw at worst for JMM.
     
  4. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    You can make a great argument that he is.
     
  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Expect a great fight Freddy........two undefeated fighters will walk up into that ring as far as I'm concerned!

    At the very least, the mentality of both fighters is that no fighter has defeated them!:bbb
     
  6. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    yes, if he didn't lose a bunch of times.

    seriously though you can make an argument for each loss being a victory (though i have to say i haven't see the first two loses). the manny fights i scored of pac but EASILY could have gone his way (i had him within a point for each).

    on the flip side the barrera win was iffy, at least in how wide it was but otherwise he's relatively free of controversy
     
  7. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    JMM only got robbed in the John fight,

    the Norwood fight and the Pacquiao rematch could of gone either way

    JMM got a gift in the first Pacquiao fight.
     
  8. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Havent seen the Chris John or Norwood fight, but I had the 2nd fight against Pac for Pac by 1 point.
     
  9. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    I would say he could be. That's more than reasonable.
     
  10. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know man. I watched the fight once and I've been in a few situations where I've gone back and re-watched the same fight and came out with a different outcome. I know JMM was busier...I just recall Fred landing harder more effective punches. It's not one of the fights I decided to collect for obvious reasons.
     
  11. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    11-1 for nietes means your blind in one eye.....
     
  12. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    OK, I just watched the Norwood fight for the 1st time. JMM was robbed outright. Even with the idiot Joe Cortez call of a slip when it was a knockdown, Marquez won the fight 114-112. This was a clear win for JMM.
     
  13. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    exactly....and i aint saying jmm dominated him neither, but jmm clearly did more, got robbed of a knockdown etc etc.....

    anyone who see's that fight for norwood really worries me :fire
     
  14. ku_las

    ku_las Active Member Full Member

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    He lost to norwood, cris john, and pac...
     
  15. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You'd have to be very biased not to give JMM the fight. And, yeah, he looked uncomfortable and tentative, but he clearly won more rounds, and it should have been walk-away victory for him because Norwood was down twice. Even the commentators were in agreement that JMM clearly won the fight.