Could Kovalev go .500 against these 12 LHWs of Classic Past?

You cant bring yourself to condemn fouls, but express disgust at those who draw them the official's attention.

Kovalev was hit below the belt and Mayweather was hit behind the head. I dont feel they did anything wrong.

Funny, Barrera also tried to draw attention to Ward's low blows and got a point deduction by going down from it. On Scene, he said Ward delibetately goes low and Kovalev should have forced the issue more and maybe went down instead of doubling over. Part of the game.

Im not delusional, Im telling you how it is. You are being an arm chair critic...an over the top one at that.

 

I can't believe this one didn't garner more attention

 

the last left hook in marciano-walcott is not an unequivocally illegal punch. walcott was completely out for sure, but nothing but his feet were touching the canvas when the punch landed. yes, his arm got caught on the rope while he was out, in such a peculiar way that it *just* separated his knees from the canvas. is it still a technically illegal punch? walcott would have gone down if the ropes were not there, and it is illegal to hit a man when he is down, so yes by today's rules it is an illegal punch. but to think of disqualifying the challenger to the heavyweight crown on a punch landed to a seemingly upright man would be a travesty.

 

Not a chance

 

No, in a word.

Its more a question of what scraps he could walk away with.

 

Absolutely. Walcott was knocked out by a legal punch to the jaw, wasn't fully down, the left hook was in combination, and Maricano also clearly pulled it.

I honestly can't think of an analogy to Ward/Kovalev, it was a first I've seen. Judah was counted out against Khan, and Duran/Buchanan was caused by the official and while I always assumed it was stopped over the low blow/knockdown over the video, some reports said it was actually stopped over the damage to Buchanan's eyes and overall beating he was taking.

 

That follow up left that Marciano threw was of no consequence...Rocky pulled it, and it barely brushed JJW's head as he was on his way to the deck, Joe was already somewhere near the Van Allen Belt after that right landed.

 

You are delusional. Totally. And I'm not going to waste more time on this than to argue that the earth is round.

 

This. Mayweather makes a habit of turning his back on opponents. Did it with Conor too. He should have gotten TKO'd, he was done.

 

To be clear, I cast absolutely no blame on Marciano here. If it was a foul it was purely technical and had no bearing on the outcome. And as such ludicrous to make a fuss about. That's exactly how I see the whole Kovalev-Ward argument. I see it as totally insane.

And that will be my last input about this dator.

 

Kovalev's fouls are "irrelevant" because at no point did the referee stop the fight and award Kovalev TKO win after he fouled Ward.
By the same token, Ward's fouls previous to the last one are "irrelevant".

I've explained my position clearly and it is simple: The fight should not have been stopped like that.

A foul is a foul, yes.
Clearly if a foul renders a boxer momentarily hurt or breaks down his defenses, that adds another dimension to the proceedings.
For example, if Frazier rabbit punches Ali and Ali comes back immediately with the best combination of the fight, it woud be wrong to step in and stall the action to give Frazier a long-winded warning, since Ali played it to his advantage.

 

I don't know what you're looking at, both in my posts or in the film.
You're overcomplicating things and probably misunderstanding. Or maybe I am.

A low blow is a low blow. "Borderline" is just a way of saying you don't know. If any of the knuckle area of glove lands below the imaginary belt like (ie. on the lower abs, below the top of pelvis, in the groin orinthe nuts) that's a low blow. I've pointed out that it is not the other way round, as in tennis.

Kovalev was clearly hurt by (or at least reacted strongly to) that last one in the sequence anyway.

I think the last one was definitely a bit low. I'm surprised others can't see that, but fair enough. I'm not infallible so there's no proving right or wrong on that.

I'm not sure why you feel so strongly about this or consider the conversation "insane" or "deluded". You're usually not inclined to such extremeness.

Some of us are quite sure in our minds that Kovalev was hit low and hurt by it, and that the referee jumped in and called a halt ultimately on the strength of that last combo and Kovalev's reaction, and awarded Ward a TKO win.
And that's it.
There's nothing "INSANE" about believing a fight shouldn't be stopped in the foulers favour at that precise moment.

 

Kovalev was clearly very hurt way before the last blow was thrown.

The dark part of Kovalevs trunks bunched up onto the white belt of the trunks making that last blow appear lower than it was. Look closely.

 

Borderline is on the belt line and a shot on the belt is a legal blow. Holyfield repeatedly hit Lewis on the belt line and nobody said he went low.

Watch Kovalev buckle over and look for a way out from legal body shots.

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Ward clearly hits the K on his belt which has a body protector underneath . His gonads are located on the part of his trunks where it says HUBLOT , so the shots were nowhere near his sack. The ending came when Kovalev quivered up again and looked like he wanted out. He gave Weeks good reason to call the fight off.
Puls , Kovalev never made any protest at the stoppage.

 

As I said in a previous reply to another poster, I'll bow out of this detour. It could go on forever since it so largely rests on perception.

What for me is so abundantley clear is how very unclear it is whether it even is a foul. The last picture posted here by someone who claimed it was, actually shows it to be legal imo.

So the furor caused by something that even in close scrutiny seems extremely unlikely to have had by illegal means an effect on the outcome is insane to me. A whole new standard is invented for this one fight.

Then you have people claiming it landed in "the nuts" when it's clear as day it didn't. And others claiming Kovalev's acts (which consisted of doubling over for taps as well as turning his back for no apparent reason) was a justfied behaviour for "fouls" that aren't even clearly apparent on stills and in slowmos. Kovalev's antics is what's out of the norm for me, not that Ward landed a couple of punches which are hard to tell whether they're legal or very marginally low. It's crazy that the focus in this one case is on the latter rather than the former.

This warped perception and extremely inconsistent standard for this one fight is madness to me. That's really what I have to say about it, and will leave it at that.