Could Larry Holmes or Rocky Marciano beat Deontay Wilder?

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  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    fringe sure, or perhaps a late stand-in.

    in this era hes Widers best win.
     
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  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    With Ortiz, I don't think it's just that his engine is bad, but also he has a pretty energic offensive style, and it's a pretty bad combination.
     
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  3. Pat M

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    there weren't any 240 pound southpaws with the amateur pedigree of Ortiz in the 80s. Who knows how anybody would have done with him? Page, Tubbs, or Dokes MIGHT have faced a southpaw or two as amateurs, we know that Larry Holmes was knocked out twice by 5-10, 200 pound, southpaw Nick Wells as an amateur. Wells didn't have the size, international experience, or ability of Ortiz. Until a fighter faces a southpaw we have no idea how he would perform against one. Then throw in Ortiz' size and experience...

    http://brickcityboxing.com/2017/07/22/nick-wells-man-stopped-larry-holmes-twice/
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Holy was much better by the second Bowe fight before that all his fights at heavyweight were less than stellar, I think Ortiz would have got hit less than Holly did by the likes of Dokes and Alex Stewart.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Witherspoon and Tubbs were in worse condition than Ortiz is now when they fought each other and Witherspoon was clearly effected by his conditioning v Bruno when he got hit far more than Ortiz would have v Frank.
     
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  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I think Wilder`s looking for anything to excuse him not being able to knock Fury out.
     
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Holmes didn`t look in great shape against Spinks.
     
    mark ant, Mar 1, 2019
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Might be Holmes’ best win too. He’s a big southpaw with skills, smarts, and power. He’s getting on in years now but I don’t see how he’s not in the same class as the best men Holmes fought (and the guys Holmes “missed” too).
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    A late stand in for which of Larry`s opponents?
     
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  10. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well tin hat on but is Ortiz really that good? I realise he had a great amateur pedigree but as a pro what really has he achieved?
    What is his greatest win?
    The best I've seen him fight was in the losing effort against Wider.
     
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  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Are you going to argue that Wilder is not a big dude? Are you going to argue that Marciano was a big dude?
     
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  12. mcvey

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    But Leroy Jones was?
     
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  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    His resume is very shallow.
     
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  14. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sorry Philly, after re-reading your post, you and I are basically on the same page. I was just saying that no matter what era you are in, it is always puzzling and disappointing when skilled fighters like Ortiz, Tubbs, Page, etc show up to the biggest fight (and likely biggest moment) of their lives in poor condition and sabotage any realistic chance of becoming a champion.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    Yes he looked terrible against the likes of Dokes and Buster Douglas.

    Truth be told he fought quite ok against wily veterans in Holmes and Foreman too. Both were difficult opponents and never looked like winning.
     
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