Could Larry Holmes or Rocky Marciano beat Deontay Wilder?

Marciano would have a horrible time trying to get close enough to get his Sunday punches off. Meanwhile, Wilder would be landing some very heavy punches from well outside of Marciano's punching range, and could make Marciano reset his attacks whenever he wants by taking two giant steps backwards.

 

Wilder wasn’t nearly busy enough to beat Marciano. He would be physically exhausted early and prob fall before 10. Best chance to beat Marciano is through great footwork. Something wilder lacks.

 

I met Wilder several times back in 2012 and he's 6'5.5" at best. When I used to recruit for the NCAA I would regularly measure guys that were legitimately 6'7" and Wilder was noticeably shorter. I love Boxrec, but some of their heights are way off. I also noticed Ajagba is listed at 6'5", but when I met him in California 6'2.5 or maybe 6'3" seem more realistic. Fury on the other hand seems to be a legit 6'7.

 

This. You ever been a boxing coach, since my trainer along with all of the other trainers at the fight factory tried to beat the importance of what you just said into Wilder's head when he visited our gym, but he just didn't want to hear it. I also agree that Wilder doesn't have the footwork to beat Marciano and Wilder can't fight on the inside. Wilder's poor footwork had him sucking wind in both his fight with Ortiz and Fury.

 

Well, your feelings are wrong.

 

He's freaking gargantuan. He is 8" taller than Marciano and holds a 16" reach advantage. That is 40 shades beyond slightly significant.

 

Holmes should win a UD.......but Wilder is a life threat for 12 or 15 and I am sure Holmes. while having a great chin is not taking any chances and will avoid the right all night long, the question, is, can he........Wilder has landed on every opponent and if he can almost lay out the safety first spoiler Fury I am convinced he will land on Holmes.

Semi shot glass chinned WK , according to this board, one of the best Heavies that ever walked the earth, lol, could not put a glove on stink the joint out Fury but Wilder put him on his azz twice hard.......not bad for a "Bum""Fraud" etc reputation from this board.

Marciano ? Absurd................he was hitting the deck against bald Pensioners while getting marked up like brawling in a bar because he was so easy to hit . Marciano has only one gear and that will him get sparked out cold coming forward using his chin as a shield ........

Anyway, only true Marciano haters would send him in against Wilder.............today the fight would not even be sanctioned and no network would put a dime on it..............5'10 180 pound slow of foot and hand attrition puncher, lol, it shows how depleted the division was after WW
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Trivia: when was the last time 5'10 180 pounds face first easy cut Heavyweights ruled the division ? Yeah in the 50's.............that is close to 70 years ago......so were are all those 180 pound midgets hiding to make easy money against bums like Wilder.

 

Yep, pretty crazy that a bum like that was the only undefeated heavyweight champ, with the highest knockout ratio of any heavyweight champ, with massive respect of his abilities from Walcott, Louis, Moore, and pretty much every man that fought him... Not to mention spectating greats like Dempsey and Ali


Btw Patterson was a 180lbs fighter and his reign lasted into the 60s. Not to mention those men just fight in either the LHW or Cruiserweight division nowadays, and occasionally move up to heavyweight to kick ass (ex Holyfield, Spinks, Moorer)

 

You are making my point in your first paragraph.......70 to 100 YEARS ago.

Patterson got cold cocked twice when he met a modern Heavy.....

Holyfield did good but without Tyson he is 1-4 against Bowe/Lewis plus he is a significant better athlete than Marciano including a natural much taller and bigger guy. fact..........and marciano ballooning up to 300 pounds does not mean big in athletics.

Spinks caught a Holmes who did not fire on 8 anymore, the same Holmes Tyson brutalized........and last but not least Spinks lasted a mere 91 sec against Tyson despite Spinks was undefeated and never hit the deck.

Moorer was sparked with ONE punch in his FIRST defense by a ancient Foreman who could not even get by Tommy Chin.....

If a time machine would actually exist you would not put one penny on Marciano because even a blind hen like you knows marciano would wake up in the dressing room asking "did I win the fight" while the Doctor administers the oxygen mask.

 

Gonna make a final note here, respond to this if you want to or not but this is about all I'll spend on this conversation


Patterson and Spinks were legitimate champions. They just happened to be pissing their pants at the thought of Tyson/Liston. Tyson and Liston were born with power and good chins with thick frames, and they knew how to install fear in a man

Holyfield did great, he's an ATG, and he fought Lewis when he was older. You didn't debunk any of my points, yes Holy was tall and lanky, does that take away from Tyson, who was short and stocky but thickly built? Not at all.

Your Moorer comment was the most insulting. Foreman landed 2 good 1-2 combinations, Holyfield quoted old Foreman as the hardest puncher he ever fought on multiple occasions (which includes a resume of Tyson, Lewis and Bowe), and Foreman didn't knock out Morrison because he didn't land anything significant on Morrison. If Foreman hit Morrison with the same combo he hit Moorer, it would've been lights out for the young hopeful.


You can add as many stupid asterisks as you want but you cannot take away from their achievements. Marciano was used to being bet against, I'm sure it wouldn't be anything new to him.

 

Yet another wonderful thread by our resident Rain man.
When will this nonsense stop?

 

Then he was probably above his optimum weight in those fights.

 

Oh yes I forgot.

Wilder is the only fighter in history, where his body mass is irrelevant when determining his size.

Let's be honest now.

If Marciano had beaten him, and I held it up as evidence that he could beat say Lewis or Klitchko, you would be the very first to dismiss Wilder's physical credentials!

 

And Marciano has been lower!