Could Lyle Have Taken Title From Patterson?

I think he's referring to Patterson who's better than "the Swedish guy" Not Lyle.

 

Agreed LoadedGlove. I think Floyd could definitely beat Lyle, I just don't see him knocking Lyle out. I think it's a toss-up. Actually, although Patterson pumped out a lot more good wins than Lyle, both had about the same amount of losses (Patterson-8, Lyle-7; however Floyd deserved a few of those decisions), so we know both men were equally beatable. However, I think Lyle generally did better in fights he legitimately lost. He did excellent against Quarry, Ali, and Foreman despite losing. Patterson deserved the wins over Maxim and Patterson, and maybe even the Quarry decisions, but otherwise got demolished in his losses.

 

Um what? Patterson was knocked down numerous times, and only two of those people actually went on to knock him out. One of whom, was brutally knocked out twice in return. The other was one of the greatest punchers and finishers of all time. Floyd has an excellent record against punchers. Let's not pretend he couldn't hold his own.

 

So you meant powerfully built rather than referring to their punching power ? Got it. Ignore the Cooper mention in that case.

 

Sure Floyd could hold his own, and he could knock out big punchers, but aside from Johansson, no one else was a really big, explosive puncher. Moore and Cooper would very good hitters, but tended to chop people down, although Cooper had a fine KO punch himself.

 

Well, it was not meant that Lyle didn't hit hard, but u r correct. In that way Lyle seems very rough. I would think he would be more of a beast in clinches, which Floyd always seemed useless in imo.

 

Its a while since I saw it but I think Floyd fought brilliantly inside with George Chuvalo who back then was as rough as they come, strong like a bull and fighting his best ever fight.

 

Potentially yes. Not sure id favor Lyle but he would have been a formidable opponent

 

Charley Powell was quite a big man. Not on Lyles level, but he looked pretty decent dropping Charlie Norkus from what I have seen of him. Physically that sized fighter was not always an obstacle for Floyd.

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At times he did. I watched that one recently. A few times Chuvalo hurt Floyd w/ rabbit punches and just kept banging away on the back and side of the neck, and Floyd didn't know what to do. Luckily the ref intervened.

 

good observation. Physically Floyd was often outpowered in a clinch.

I know that Ingo was able to manhandle Floyd. the swede was good at getting his right hand free within a clinch.

However, Patterson himself also had a move he used inside that impressed me. A rarely mentioned signature move. He would switch southpaw and fire a double right hand. I think that’s even how he finished Ingo in the third fight.

Nobody talks about it.

 

I think it may be that Floyd had greater punching power than most of the guys he fought, but maybe not as much overall physical power, and that's why Chuvalo dominated him in many of the clinches. Ellis and Bonavena also did at times as well. Chuvalo was really good at the art of rabbit punching inside though.

 

Yeah he was a real rough dirty guy who wasn’t in a fight to make friends. A lot of times he tried to maul a guy right through the ropes. Pushing when there was no further back to go. The Dejohn film is crazy. And all Chuvalo would say about it was the ref would help Dejohn get up. The guy was so single minded, in his head, he never did anything wrong to listen to him in an interview.

 

I have to agree. Aside from Chuvalo's amazing chin and power, and being in some awesome 60s fights, he's not very likable. Like the Miteff rematch. He won and he was complaining that he didn't win by UD, but by an SD. Who knows, it might have really been a close fight.... It is great to see how well he is doing at the advanced age he is now at.

 

Patterson was a far more skilled fighter than Lyle .. so much faster, smarter, better conditioned however Floyd was much smaller and Liston showed the right big man could run right through him .. MY personal take is I never liked Floyd's style;e to match his skills and limitations .. he was not brutally strong with a cast iron chin like Tyson .. he was always a small and fragile heavyweight and I just thought a more boxing oriented style would have suited him better .. he should be too quick for Lyle who unlike Liston rarely went balls to the wall out of the gate excluding the Foreman fight .. that said if Lyle used his jab and boxed who knows ...?