I had Martinez winning by 2. I'll re-score it again tomorrow. I was close though, I went a bit OTT in Rummy's thread because I got a -5 LOL, but it was close. 119-110 was a terrible score though I'm sure you'll agree. I think Martinez is under-rated for sure - or at least was, I doubt so now - and Williams is more beatable than people like to think. He's a class-fight no doubt, but definately beatable be a slick, quick operator. Regarding Pac v Williams - I think Pacquiao enjoyed so much success against Cotto because he could continually back Cotto up and let his punches go so often. When Cotto came forward, he landed and backed Pacquiao up and Manny didn't look as comfortable. I think Williams would be able to do this much more often with his size, punch output and ability to take a punch. I think Pacquiao would find it extremely difficult to let his punches go with Williams being so tall and coming forward throwing punches all the time.
Taller with a MUCH bigger reach, I know Pacquiao is better than Williams in terms of skill but the reach and height advantage would be too big for Pac.
pacquiao surprises me steadily for the last 2 years. many things can happen with him. quintana decisioned williams so who knows ? however i still go with williams. don't know if a stoppage or decision.
I think Pacman could KO PWill but he'd have to get and stay inside. If the fight was a slugfest like that, I think Pac wins, even if the bout was at 150-154.
Williams can't hurt Pac. Pac walked through Cotto's punches and Cotto puts much more into his punches than Williams. And watching Williams last night, he got hit constantly by a right hook. Pac's right hook has improved dramatically over the last two fights.
From watching the Martinez fight, I think Williams just isn't as effective against fellow southpaws. Pacquiao uses angles and speed to get the UD.
Ever heard of accumalation? I think Williams can definately hurt Pacquiao if he's piling on combinations. Cotto never landed more than 1 flush punch at a time. He's also proved his power at a higher weight-class than Cotto.
Williams is to tall for Manny and although PW leaves him self open for right hand counters I dont think Pac would be able to reach him fast enough to make him pay.
the results thus far are the reason people hat *******s there just not relistic wlliams struggled last night but martinez i good fighter williams might be weight draind at catchweight 150 but 154 "its good night manila"
I really think he could do it. I believe he hits harder than Martinez and takes PW's punch all day long, stopping him early. The big man would fall hard and that says a lot about Pac. Floyd/Pac is truely the best fight any of us could ask for