Could Manny retire without facing an African American?

WTF are you talking of this nonsense not fighting an African American? Clottey beat the **** out of Judah so how is Clottey not a decent fighter? Cotto beat Mosley in a very close fight, but he beat him. Williams knocked the **** out of Quintana, but not before Quintana schooled him. The best fighters are the best because they've worked hard to get where their at, not because they're African American, or Mexican, or Cuban, etc. Who would of thought out of the little nation of the Philippines there would be a fighter as great as Pacman being boxing's #1 star? What are you gonna say, Nonito Donaire is on juice too? :rofl Please STFU. You don't know how childish you sound.

 

Hi Nallege/Amsterdam. Epic fail of a thread, yet again.:roflatsch

 

PAc has to face Floyd, or he will live in infamy with boxing historians. PAc is the smaller man, and has not truly beaten a good to great fighter in their prime. PAc did what he had to do, but he has to fight Floyd. Both are on top of their game, and since he agreed to the testing, he has to fight Floyd. I doubt the fight gets made. Had Pac earned more ppv's than Floyd, surely Arum would ask for 60-40 Pac. 55-45 is reasonable.

 

Pac isn't boxings biggest star...sorry!

 

Maybe not in the USA, but Internationally Floyd's not got Pac's world wide appeal mate.

WWE or Dancing With The Stars isn't on free to air in most other countries outside the US tiger.

 

could floyd retire without facing a pinoy?

 

Wait, Pacquiao hasn't beaten a good prime fighter? You got the names the wrong way round?

 

What you are doing is creating a straw man. I never said being black meant you are elite, I said Manny hasn't faced any elite black American fighters and blantly ducks them to fight questionable opposition since getting to 135 and moving up, now debate me on that.

Tell me why its ok for Manny to fight at 135 and call himself a champ in the division when he blantantly ducks the new undisputed champ of the division Nate Campbell? Lets not forget this is the old Nate he probably could have KO'd him, but he goes after ****ing David Diaz.

Tell me why its ok for him to go to 140 and fight the weakest belt holder in the division and claim himself the man, when you have Bradley and Holt at the time having belts in the division?

At 147, I'll give him a pass with Cotto, even though the fight was at a catchweight which is bogus for a title fight, but after that fight and the Floyd collapse why is it ok for him to fight Clottey, when you had Shane begging for a fight, Berto there for a unification, and P-Williams ready to go? Now we hear that if the Floyd fight isn't made this time, he is ready to fight Margarito? You don't see any pattern in his matchmaking since moving up to 135 and higher? The Nile isn't just a river in Egypt.

 

Afro-Cuban doesn't count (never heard that phrase before). Does that make Chris Eubank an Afro-English? Does it ****. He'd just call himself English.

Anyway, if Clottey doesn't count as Afro-American (despite being an African with American citizenship apparently), then Casamayor definitely doesn't count.

So basically, he could have fought Nate Campbell or Diaz?

He fought Diaz in June 08.
Campbell only won the belts in March 08. (Same time Pac fought JMM)

Anyway, who wants to fight Robbie Pedens leftovers?

Campbell would have been 32-5 at that time, Diaz 33-1. Which do you think looks the tougher fighter?????

Yep. What a ***** fighting the lineal 140 champ eh? And one that would bring an absolute shitload more money and fans to the fight.

Who's Floyd in talks with right now?

Williams? When did he last fight at welter again? Don't exactly hear Floyd calling his name from the rooftops either. Nor Berto.

Which "AA" talent are at welter that Pac didn't fight then?
Mosley? He lost to Cotto, which in your "Mosley beat Margo" world, means beating Cotto is a far, far bigger achievement than beating Mosley right?

An AA achievement maybe?

 

Dunno. Tell me why Floyd called himself a 154 champ after beating Oscar, who was gifted it by only having to fight Ricardo "B-Side" Mayorga for it?

As I just said. Why fight somebody Peden KTFO 2 times?

Because Hatton is the bigger international name, the linear champ, had never lost at 140 and would generate probably triple the money, if not more?

I dunno, something like that?

Bradley and Holt were nothing internationally compared to Hatton - who after beating Paulie Magin.. people were saying looked good again, and it was just htat he coultn' figth at welter.

So, what "African Americans" are available to fight at welter, that are any good?

Floyd
Mosley
Berto

Is that it?

He's trying to fight Floyd.
Mosley just lost to Floyd, and lost to Cotto anyway (remember how you said it all works? No need to fight Mosley, because Pac beat Cotto who beat Mosley, OK).

So Berto. That's it is it? Williams hasn't touched 147 for years.

 

I"m not including Casamayor as a black American, I'm merely laying the groundwork for the champs in the division at the time and who Manny chose to fight.

As for Nate, you can say **** like Robbie Peden's left over, people could say the same thing about Manny, Torrecampo's left over or Singsurat's left overs. Fact is Nate had just beat the undisputed champion, and became the man and when he had the opportunity to fight him he choose to fight David Diaz instead and it was clear then as it is now who the better fighter at 135 was, it was Nate Campbell, clearly.

Hey if the lineal title meant so much to Manny, he would have fought Casamayor at 135, but we know the aspect of lineal titles doesn't matter unless it is a fighter who is already shot right? At least according to Freddie Roach. Like I said before, Hatton was the weakest champ in the division, I can't think of a time during Hatton's reign as the lineal champ when he was ever the best champ in the division, not to mention this is a guy who was KO'd previously by Floyd and then pretty much knocked out on his feet by Juan Lazcano, either way he had Holt and Bradley (new green champ at time) in the division who would have been far better compeittion than Hatton, but it seems that now you want it to be about money and who was going to sell more tickets, I thought you Pac fans said only Floyd cared about the money and the business aspect and that Manny fought for legacy and pride. :roll:

We aren't talking about Mayweather, we are talking about Manny, stop trying to change the subject. I've already told you the black American fighters Manny could have faced after Cotto. As for trying to discredit fighting Shane, why do you write him off saying he lost to Cotto, but then support Manny fighting Clottey who also lost to Cotto? Say what you will, but Shane, after the Cotto-Manny fight, was higher ranked at WW than Clottey, especially coming off the way he destroyed the #1 WW at the time in Margarito. Berto was a belt holder in the division that I'm sure Manny would have beaten, but he ignored him to fight Clottey? Paul Williams would generate huge buzz for fighting Manny, just his size and workrate would guarantee a exciting fight and do a lot for Manny's resume 135 and up, but again we don't see this, we see Manny fight Clottey. So tell me why are you trying to give Manny a pass on fighting legit black American fighters since his move up to 135 and beyond?

 

If anyone without a racist agenda can explain to me which fighters at 126 and 130 who were African american and who were superior to Morales, Barerra and Marquez that Manny ducked in between jumping from 135, to 140's and fighting bigger, tough fights I'm willing to listen.

I suppose DLH, Hatton, Cotto and Clottey are all soft touches and evidence someone carefully picking opponents with a racial bias.

 

No one is faulting him for not fighting black American fighters sub 135, this is a conversation about him not fighting black American fighters when he had the opportunity, this really can't be denied. From 135 and up Manny has avoided black American fighters to fight shot fighters who still have some name value. Now if the Floyd fight falls through again, will you be defending Manny's fighting of Margarito as being a legit fight?

 

Dude.

Holy freaking christ.

I'm not saying Pac should be considered in the top 135 pounders in history based on one punch KO-ing David Diaz. Though some *******s were making Pac the greatest 140 fighter of the 00's for one fight against Hatton.

He TRIED to get a fight done with Mayweather - Who said no cause Pac doesn't subsrcibe to the Mayweather State Athletic Commission, fought a DLH everyone said Roach was insane for picking Pac by stoppage (TKO 9), Hatton at his best weight, Cotto who at least is a top 5 welter, then Clottey - Another top 5 welter - and he's ducking african americans?

God. Beyond ******ed.

I vote he tells Mayweather to go **** himself and then win the IBF 154 belt from Corey Spinks and then we can have a thread here how Spinks isn't an eskimo.

Why don't we regress all the way back to the Jack Dempsey era of thinking as other geniuses were suggesting earlier and have a black championship with sub divisions based on if you're African, African American, Indigenous Australian, Papua New Guinean etc?

 

He ducked the undisputed champ at 135 who was a black American. He ducked the two belt holders at 140 who were better than Hatton and were also black Americans. At 147 he ducked all the black American talent (excluding Floyd) after the Cotto fight when he chose for some reason to face Clottey and now if the Mayweather fight fails, he would again duck all the black fighters in the division to fight a disgraced cheater in Margarito.

It is not hard to see the pattern here, I'm not calling him a racist, its just that he is matched carefully.