Could Manny retire without facing an African American?

DobyZhee · May 25, 2010

LeadRightHand said: ↑

I don't buy that Pacquioa is that much better than Berto,Bradley or Alexander....O.K. yes I do.:yepBut the real point is fight a different group of people already.I am looking forward to seeing Mayweather get his first loss and Pacquiao getting his next loss.Most likely whoever beats Pacquiao or Mayweather will either not be as good as they are or will never put together the career that they have.Muhammad Ali lost to several fighters who were not as good as him,so did Sugar Ray Robinson,And they both promptly rematched and beat the brakes off of the insane men who would dare defeat them in public for all to see.

I only want to see Pac fight a different group of people with a different skill set.If he loses to one of these opponents he'll rematch and avenge because he is better.But will those different stlyes give him issues?I would love to know.He has destroyed the Mexican style of fighting.If he can destroy the African-American style(s) of fighting then let him walk off into the sunset with their flesh in between his knuckles.

For those who got caught up in race,you have exposed yourselves,it's everything to do with culture,whether it is going to Brazil to train or Rocky goin' to da hood with Apollo to work on his movement.There are clearly a bunch of Paulies on this site who don't want to go to that gym!
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you sure u want to see berto, alexander and floyd run from manny?

RobertV77 · May 25, 2010

crimson said: ↑

Who do you expect for others to follow - random ESB posters or individuals who put their credibility publicly with every piece they write?
No offense but "collection drunks, senile racists, and fourth rate writers with no day jobs. " easily describe many ESB posters (but I don't drink).

It is also ironic because 99% of the time, when people spout ATGs, P4P, etc they will reference these racist drunks.
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No need to follow. Watch fights yourself and start forming your own opinions.

RobertV77 · May 25, 2010

Stonehanded said: ↑

OMG, stop it please.
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I'm guessing your not American.

boxer1025 · May 25, 2010

Reppin501 said: ↑

Bradley, Alexander, Mayweather, Berto, Mosley, just to name a few. Not saying i endorse the thread but there are guys out there who he could fight but apparantly won't. Not saying these cats would beat him either, but it was asked so here are a few.
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I think pac beats everyone on your list with the exception of mayweather!! Floyd is Just a special fighter..

Knives7 · May 25, 2010

He also didn't fight a Canadian or Asian-American/Canadian. FACT. That's definitely gonna affect Pacquiao's rank in boxing.

Boom_Boom · May 25, 2010

racist thread

martin luther king jr would be spinning in his grave if he were a boxing fan

Stonehanded · May 25, 2010

RobertV77 said: ↑

I'm guessing your not American.
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Do I have to be?

RobertV77 · May 25, 2010

Stonehanded said: ↑

Do I have to be?
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It just helps with the credibility.

boxer1025 · May 25, 2010

LeadRightHand said: ↑

I didn't say Jack Dempsey was racist.I am definately not saying that Pacquiao is racist.That's beyond the pale for sure.African-American is as legitimate of an ethnic group as Mexicans.It's not race or even ethnicity.It's stock.African-Americans are a pretty good stock and to a large degree have made boxing what it is or really what it was.It's everything to do with style and attitude and far less about skin color.Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali were not the same complexion,for that matter neither were MLK or Malcolm X.Yet they all fought for the people.We are not a "pure" race.We are a culture and ethnic group.We produce boxers different than Mexicans.So the legitimate question is can the "Mexicutioner" do those things to African-Americans.As boxing fans we should all wonder these things.I mean,does Floyd fight like a Mexican or Peurto Rican or Irishman or a European?No.He is a slick,smart and athletic African-American.You probably thought it sub-consciously but not consciously.We all say,"Manny has never fought anyone like Floyd",well yes,he's never fought an African-American.I get the sense that people around here are too politically correct which is to say it's ok to say Mexican fighter or British fighter but is not cool to say African-American.Where is the transgression?Was Sugar Ray Robinson not African-American?For whom did Ali fight?How about Jack Johnson?he clearly fought for black people as well.Hell,he fought to prove he was human and a man!Let's stop being pansies when someone say's African-American fighter,it is no different than saying Mexican fighter.I am only asking,"how would boxing historians look at Manny's career if he doesn't fight even one African-American,regardless of whether it is Mayweather or Bradley,Berto or Alexander,or possibly P.Williams"?
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I dont say "african-american"... I just say Black!

Boxed Ears · May 25, 2010

LeadRightHand said: ↑

I didn't say Jack Dempsey was racist.I am definately not saying that Pacquiao is racist.That's beyond the pale for sure.African-American is as legitimate of an ethnic group as Mexicans.It's not race or even ethnicity.It's stock.African-Americans are a pretty good stock and to a large degree have made boxing what it is or really what it was.It's everything to do with style and attitude and far less about skin color.Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali were not the same complexion,for that matter neither were MLK or Malcolm X.Yet they all fought for the people.We are not a "pure" race.We are a culture and ethnic group.We produce boxers different than Mexicans.So the legitimate question is can the "Mexicutioner" do those things to African-Americans.As boxing fans we should all wonder these things.I mean,does Floyd fight like a Mexican or Peurto Rican or Irishman or a European?No.He is a slick,smart and athletic African-American.You probably thought it sub-consciously but not consciously.We all say,"Manny has never fought anyone like Floyd",well yes,he's never fought an African-American.I get the sense that people around here are too politically correct which is to say it's ok to say Mexican fighter or British fighter but is not cool to say African-American.Where is the transgression?Was Sugar Ray Robinson not African-American?For whom did Ali fight?How about Jack Johnson?he clearly fought for black people as well.Hell,he fought to prove he was human and a man!Let's stop being pansies when someone say's African-American fighter,it is no different than saying Mexican fighter.I am only asking,"how would boxing historians look at Manny's career if he doesn't fight even one African-American,regardless of whether it is
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Could they be more different stylistically? Does Paul Williams' style look anything even remotely similar to Mayweather's style? Do Bradley and Alexander fight at all alike? :!: Think about your statement on Mayweather "He is a slick,smart and athletic African-American" Does that apply in some way to Berto or Williams? The slick part, I mean. They're slick compared to sandpaper maybe.

markrigh · May 25, 2010

Pacquiao had never fought a french dude. So i guess his record is horse****!

thesandman · May 25, 2010

Evander Holyfield never beat a Non-American in a title fight.
Or ever as far as I know.

Does that mean he was never a world champion according to the OP?

:think

edit: Sorry, I just remember he beat Botha in his last fight.
A European-African

madkillaz692000 · May 25, 2010

Never even fought an eskimo. FACT.

Scar · May 25, 2010

Yes he can and this thread is beyond ******ed really. It's not his problem Mexicans dominated the lower divisions and dominated it clearly, so he fought the guys that were dominating like anyone else would. Simple and clear as that, if African Americans sucked at the lower weight division then it's not Pacquiao's fault, it's their fault. Now at welterweight HE is the one looking to make a fight with possibly the greatest and most skilled African American of this generation in Mayweather. That all alone is more than enough to put an end to these pointless and silly topics.

Stonehanded · May 25, 2010

RobertV77 said: ↑

It just helps with the credibility.
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sigh, you seriously are deluded if you think that helps with the credibility.

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