Could Marciani carry Holmes jock strap? Holmes vs Marciano

This is a preposterous statement, given that you are comparing a classic boxer to a swarmer.

How would you even attempt to compare tow such different fighters?

How would you even find a frame of reference?

 

Again, any statement regarding Holmes, not matter how grandiose, can not approach the starry-eyed tripe I have read in this and other threads regarding Marciano.

 

Is Holmes better than the versions of Lastarza,Charles & Walcott that Marciano fought?

 

I don't see how it is relevant if he was.

 

Ah I see. So basically Rocky has a punchers chance. As we know, it was extremely difficult to keep Holmes down once he was hurt. It happened one time when he was 38, to the #1 finisher in the heavyweight universe.
So what are his chances? p(hurt holmes) = 1/25, p(keep him down) = 1/5 --> 1/125, seems like a realistic guess.

 

I disagree to be honest.

Dempsey did not apply constant pressure over the course of a fight like Marciano did.

Dempsey would be more likely to put Holmes away if he had him hurt, but he would not break him down round by round, in the same way that Marciano would.

 

Its a simple question requiring just a simple answer, which you can either give or withhold.

 

My reason is Dempsey was faster into range, quicker of hand and foot,had more elusive head movement ,and a longer reach, added to which he had better cut resistant skin.Dempsey's pressure was far more dynamic than Marciano's more measured approach,he would give Holmes much less time to measure him for counters.

 

Not so simple really.

I regard him as having a better resume than them.

I would favor him over them head to head, albeit not confidently in some cases.

I do not see him as being a better technician than some of them.

 

Can’t tell whether you’re being dumb or dishonest (or both). Either way, this is a ridiculous false equivalent argument you’re making, one that will only resonate with dunces and fellow Marciano fanboys. Unlike Marciano, Tyson regularly blew through contenders in short order, icing former and current belt holders within a few rounds. Those who survived longer often did so primarily through safety-first holding or running tactics. Conversely, there are any number of documented accounts of Marciano battering his opponents for rounds on end before finally wearing them down enough to stop them. In fact, you could argue that such occurrences were not exceptions for Marciano but the norm. After all the threads on these matters, are you really still too dense to grasp the distinction? If so, then God bless you.

 

That is a good argument for him having a better chance against somebody like Wladamir Klitschko.

Against Holmes we I would rather put my money on somebody who could keep the pressure on him for fifteen rounds.

 

One Marciano, many Marciani?

 

Yes Tyson was an early fight finisher, and the color blue is different than the color green.
What does that have to do with criticizing one of the best KO artists, with one of the best KO % ever, for lack of KO's?

Nothing.
More Batman vs. Superman sappy bs.

 

Holmes fought a lot of young inexperienced guys 10 fights 13 fights 14 fights, Ken Norton (who was ko'd in 1 by Shavers a year later & drew with Scott LeDoux & dropped 2x) was one the most experienced guy that Holmes fought & probaly Michael Spinks (who beat Holmes2X) The Walcott that Marciano fought in fight one & the Charles who was a year older than Marciano in fight 1 may have been a far greater test than Spinks was. (Holmes fight was Spinks 1st fight as a heavyweight)

Holmes was shook & dropped by men who were far less relentless than Marciano and if Holmes had a kryptonite the RIGHT hand was it. I think the Marciano right hand and awkward style would pose problems for Holmes and the rounds after 8-9 would be hell. Always hard to pick between eras and ATG's but I think Marciano gets the stoppage.

 

Are you kidding me? What kind of apple to melon comparison is that?

First of all: 207LB Tillis WOULD BE ON THE UPPER END of Marciano victim weights! Mariciano is 5-0 (YES FIVE!) against fighters >= 207lb. He needed 8 to knock out Louis´ghost. What proofes Rocky doing better vs Tillis than Tyson on his "heavyweight resume" vs good movers with skill?

Second: Tyson himself admitted pacing himself in his first against a target with a name. Hurting him 2-3 times anyway....