Could Marciani carry Holmes jock strap? Holmes vs Marciano

This hot mess of a threads creator didn't even spell Marciano's ****ing name correctly but it's still floating at the top of the board with 16 pages behind it?

Come on classic. Detach from the heavyweight insanity.

 

What has Marciano in common with Charles, Walcott or Spinks?? This is about a small crouching Cruiser vs Holmes, no tactical fights of jabs.
Holmes could very well beat both Charles and old Walcott, as could Michael Spinks. Especially that Spinks who dethroned Holmes, who has disadvantages vs powerful fighters at heavyweight stage, has fantastic odds to beat both Charles and old Walcott.

 

Do you think Dempsey would be standing off?

 

No, but if it got past the half way mark, his punch output would drop off, and he would be fighting a more tactical fight. Holmes might well take control in that scenario. Marciano is going to be on Holmes like flies on sh1t, in the second half of the fight, when Holmes is starting to tire and the attrition is becoming cumulative.

 

I doubt Marciano would be there long in the second half.
Why would Holmes start to tire? He has30lbs on Marciano and he isn't a 38 years old Walcott!
I think he jabs Marciano's head off and stops him on cuts .Marciano had his face badly marked up by a 37 years old Louis relying on his left jab to keep him off.A Prime Holmes would be faster ,stronger, bigger, and have the added arsenal his right cross and uppercut .

 

Because either he will have been moving around a lot, or Marciano will already have put him away.

He can't exactly go toe to toe here.

I doubt that Holmes's jab hit harder, than even a 37 year old Louis's.

 

Marciano has to stop Holmes to win this imo.
Nobody did that to a prime Holmes and he faced punchers who hit as hard as Marciano and were a damn sight bigger.
When Marciano gets past the jab,Holmes is big enough to tie him up inside, push him off, and uppercut him when he comes back in.

I'm pretty positive Holmes jab was superior in every way to a 37 years old Louis's.
In fact I'd say it's superior to a prime Brown Bomber's!

Ever see Louis do this to a 200lbs man with just his jab?

https://imgur.com/gallery/Pv5Z1Np

 

He isn't though.

He is bigger than Marciano, but he is not much bigger than the guys Marciano was fighting.

If he tries to stand flat footed in front of him, he is just going to end up in a slugging match that he cant win.

With the obvious exception of its power.

The bottom line is that If Marciano can get past any version of Louis's jab, then he can get past Holmes's jab.

Holmes's only option here is to run.

 

Charles didnt run,Walcott didn't run, Cockell didn't run,Moore didn't run Louis didn't run,Lastarza didnt run.You aren't rational on this!
Holmes is 3 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than any prime class heavyweight Marciano ever faced. Holmes doesn't have to stand flat footed in front of him,he will be hitting him with jabs and teeing off with right crosses before Marciano has even got into range! I contend prime Holmes jab was harder than a 37 years old Louis' and Marciano himself said," I couldn't avoid his jab I just had to take it". That was a faded Louis whose reflexes were eroded.

A prime Holmes would turn his tender skin into raw hamburger, and that's not demeaning Rocky.

Look! This is Rocky face to face with Ali who was slightly smaller than Holmes in every department.

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The post was to a point that was made about Marciano's opposition and my statement is that Homes fought a lot of guys that had no experience, Spinks may have had the most experience of the Holmes opponents next to a sliding Norton & a completely shot Ali but the Holmes fight was Spinks 1st as a heavyweight and IMO Walcott & Charles were much better heavyweights than Spinks. As far as Marciano he fought low and came out of the crouch with awkward power shots....Tyson showed us how right hands affected Holmes as did Shavers & Snipes and it could be argued that Shavers hit as hard as Marciano with one shot but Marciano had the late stamina and threw more punches. Competitive fight that Marciano should win.

 

Oh wow, novelty ESB accounts. Now I've seen everything.

 

No only did Holmes jab harder than a decrepit Louis, he jabbed more effectively than a prime Louis. Larry got a lot of steam on his jab and it did it snapped with authority not as window dressing. It was more versatile and elastic than Louis power jab. And at the end of an 81" reach he had better range.

And ill go one further in this matchup, Larry has the advantages in stamina and heart.

 

Read this and just got kind of sad that Perry isn't here to offer a pointed rejoinder.

 

I hold Marciano in high respect as a fighter in HIS ERA, hell , I even had VHS tapes of all his past fight shows/commenting jobs.

But no matter how you dice or slice it he made his entire reputation fighting shop worn old balding relative small Fighters with tremendous mileage on them including many flat out KO losses who still gave him trouble and even got knocked down in the process..............and mainly eventually won because their old legs gave out.

Marciano would take a viscous beating from the outside and getting battered by Holmes's upper cut when he barges straight in....imagine Marciano has to overcome 82 inches of kill zone , eating uppercuts at arrival and back to rinse and repeat.......there is no way Marciano sees the distance.................Holmes was a BIG guy with SKILLS with a real mean streak..........and that size/skill allowed him to be extremely competitive even as a Grandpa and it took a absolute prime Tyson to knock him out......the ONLY fighter ever to lay him out, the same Tyson who would catapult Rocky's head into the 10th row.