Could Marciani carry Holmes jock strap? Holmes vs Marciano

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes. And I still believe in that statement. Archie was a threat to any Hw in any era at that time. Why not?

    If Micheal Spinks, Chris Bryd, moorer, Roy Jones, James Toney were ever a threat to a HW title in other eras so is Moore. Why not?
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Don’t get started on this one... only Foreman is allowed to give away 3+inches and 30lb without doing it. Lol.
     
  3. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Moore would probably be competitive in heavyweight eras up to the 80s when the size explosion became more pronounced and the smaller heavies became less and less able to reach the top.
     
  4. mcvey

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    This assumes that Vitali and Wlad are stronger than Foreman which is far from a given.
    Wlad's inside game consists of leaning over his opponents he had no idea how to fight in close.Vitali's MO was to keep his man at the end of his arms,which btw were shorter than Foreman's.

    No fighter who ever lived is tossing George Foreman around like a rag doll!
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    Bingo.
     
  6. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I find it extremely implausible Foreman could match strength with these men who not only outweigh him by 25-30 pounds but also are extremely muscular. Foreman looked strong against men much smaller than the guys Joshua is fighting. His strength would be far less apparent against someone 240+.
     
  7. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    and yes, Joshua is definitely stronger than Foreman
     
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  8. mcvey

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    This is based on your eye test?
     
  9. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joshua is not only significantly heavier than 70s Foreman he also seems to if anything have a more muscular physique. In addition, based on photographic evidence and tale of the tape stats he appears to have much bigger arms and legs.

    In addition, training methods are different. In the 70s Foreman wasn't doing weight training whereas today many boxers use weights and steroid use appears to be widespread. Foreman is not only facing much bigger men but these guys are pumping weights and juicing which to me makes it even more implausible he could match their strength.
     
  10. mcvey

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    QUOTE="Cojimar 1946, post: 19041779, member: 109128"]Joshua is not only significantly heavier than 70s Foreman he also seems to if anything have a more muscular physique. In addition, based on photographic evidence and tale of the tape stats he appears to have much bigger arms and legs.

    In addition, training methods are different. In the 70s Foreman wasn't doing weight training whereas today many boxers use weights and steroid use appears to be widespread. Foreman is not only facing much bigger men but these guys are pumping weights and juicing which to me makes it even more implausible he could match their strength.[/QUOTE]

    Now you have drifted from Wlad and Vitali ,to AJ.
    News Flash.
    Muscles do not invariably translate into functional strength.

    Gene Paul Anderson, the strongest man who ever lived.

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  11. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Butterbean was pretty strong.
     
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  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Foreman looked less strong against Ron Lyle who was closer to his own size.

    It’s possibly why George point blank refused Anders Eklund as an opponent. George was notoriously fussy about whom he would take as as opponent in his comeback.

    Foreman was eager not to match himself with Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Golota, Grant, Frank Bruno, Ruddock.
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Mcvey loves his tape measurements of arms and legs... he carries a measure around with him where ever he goes. :icon_popcorn:
     
  14. mcvey

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    Wow, a mid 40's Foreman wasn' t eager to fight Lewis and Bowe! Get yourself to the vets mate!
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm not the one basing a mans strength on his muscular development, I've got more sense than that.Direct your snidey remarks to Cojimar.

    You've got every ounce of mileage you can out of Johannson's one round stoppage of Machen. Then you posted this on the thread of one of your regular punch-bags, ie George Foreman.

    "A "blow out" is great but it never shows what the other guy had. It just shows the other guy never got going."

    How palpably two faced is that!




    Ive taken your measure and had you taped for a very long time.Mr
    Tape Worm.
     
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