Could Marciani carry Holmes jock strap? Holmes vs Marciano

Okay so that takes 60's Ali out of contention as well right?
The average weight of his opponents can't be much better than Marcianos.
Marciano fought more big guys throughout his career than Ali before his comeback.

But doesn't 60's Ali get picked over guys like AJ, W Klitschko, L Lewis regularly?

Weight a minute....

 

Poor David. I had no idea he died in September. RIP.

 

Its estimated with 199lb, probably with post prison Alis opponents as well.
Exactly, Muhammad Ali is overrated H2H.
Not just Clay, keep Sonny Listons weight advantage in mind!

 

Im honest, always have been, always will be.

I have nothing to hide. I posted under "The Mongoose"...some 3 years ago now on Eastside Boxing. I stated this multiple times now, John, but you always ask. You are not as clever as you think you are.

The mods know exactly who I am and respect my contrubutions when im not getting baited by you lunatics.

So tell me, John Mr. 5 accounts Thomas...why dont you man up and be honest.

 

I would be happy to quote the source but it appears you have taken to the boot again.

 

The criticism of the size of Marciano's opponents is silly as I noted because many past champions including Ali faced fighters that were much, much, smaller than the heavyweights of later eras. Ali never fought anyone ranked in the top 10 that was over 230 pounds. The only highly ranked opponent over 220 he faced was Joe Bugner. We don't have any instances whatsoever from his career of him beating skilled big men in the 230s, 240s, 250s like you see these days.

 

Hi Coji, who exactly are all these " skilled, big men in the 230's, 240's and 250's " guys like you mention as though they are the norm ?

Stiverne ? Arreola ? Andrew Golota ? Pulev ?

I will give you Lennox Lewis ( who did have two left feet and was a pretty plodding kind of big man even though he had fast hands ) and the Kbros. Joshua is way too early into his career to call him " skilled " on historic levels.

Cheers

 

This is about the third time you've accused me of having alt accounts i think?

Grow some balls and front up.

I tell you what motor mouth - Lets put 5k paypal money on it. I use one account and have for umpteen years. Only other i had was a redrooster clone i posted from a few times many years ago.

Put your money up coward.

P.S. If you were perma banned a while back you should never have been allowed on here again.

 

Must be good drugs in your parts. They are certainly causing you some serious paranoia.

$5k paypal bet you dumb flog.

Man or mouse? Back up that great big mouth of yours.

Troll.

 

Ibeabuchi, Bowe, and McCall are some other good examples.

 

I should think the reason for that is Ali's mobility and defence ,he is perceived as being able to avoid a lot of the incoming from those guys.Ali had also proven that he could beat big punching 200lbs+class men.
In his first title reign Ali defended against 6 men over 200lbs.
His remaining 3 challengers were:
Cooper 188lbs
Patterson 196.75lbs
Mildenberger 194.5lbs

 

Hi mate, McCall had his hands full with a 42 year old Larry Holmes who in my opinion showed enough in that fight for me to think he would easily outbox the "Atomic Bull" if it was say the Holmes who fought Cooney.

In reality McCall without his magic 1990's " sports medicine " would have been a 220 lb type guy anyway.

Ibeabuchi may have been the most obvious example of " sports science gone wrong" in heavyweight boxing history, which is saying something. He was even coached by East Germans in his native Nigeria as a young man.

In reality he faced a sum total of two, yes 2 world class fighters. Byrd and Tua. Hardly enough to be rated historically.

Bowe was another guy who was around for no time at all and who only has one real name on his resume, Holyfield.

Riddick was much like Lewis in the fact he was very skilled with his hands but he was no speedster with his footwork. He was also a notorious lazy trainer, and if you watch his fights with say Larry Donald or Tony Tubbs let alone the two fights with Golota he doesnt look so " skilled".

Watching the Tubbs fight makes me think a prime Ali or even Holmes would give Bowe a boxing lesson.

 

Hey Macca, I always felt that speed, mobility and fitness-stamina ( as well as a good left hand ) were the keys to giving Ali trouble pre Manila. Ali used his speed to advantage against typically slow, bigger guys. It was the speedy types who could pressure Ali that troubled him in my opinion.

Norton was a really good athlete with good hand speed and foot speed as well as excellent stamina. Frazier was fast and also had a huge gas tank. Cooper had excellent hand speed and a really good left lead - hook. Sonny Banks had quickness. Doug Jones was very technical and pretty slick.

Jimmy Young and Bob Foster are also examples of smaller, slick-speedy type guys giving Ali-Clay trouble.

Cheers Mate.

 

It is very easy to register and post under different IP addresses, anyone can find this information with a simple google search, only a troll with multiple accounts would try to act like that proves anything.

Take it up with the mods. You and your alts have been crying about this for months now. Do something about it, John JC Carnera.

The weed is very good here in fact, which has nothing to do with you being an obvious alt.

Flog? Haha, of course you are all British and log on at the same time, and sometimes answer for each other by mistake, and somehow find name drops in the responses to each others post. You aren't exposing yourself at all. It's a total mystery, you are totally not Carnera, JC40..and you can prove it for 5K....yeah okay.

 

ahaha no wonder!

well its an improvement on being the forum "M.ong". You didnt think through that name when you picked it.

well doen on the improvement.