Could Marciani carry Holmes jock strap? Holmes vs Marciano

What a complete waste of space you are. I thought you had a bit about you ages ago but it's become quite clear you are not at all well in the head and quite childish.

You should never have been allowed back in here after what you did to Mac. What an utterly vile individual you showed yourself to be. It's people like you that ruin good forums.

P.S. It's well known i am Australian. I've posted numerous pics from over here when one could actually post pictures. You couldn't even get that right troll.

JC40 has been breathing a bit of fresh life into the forum of late with some great posts and info and here you accusing him of being an alt when it's brutally obvious he isn't.

Little wonder the forum loses top posters with the likes of yourself about.

 

I like JC40 too.

 

Best let it go J.T. He's on my ignore list now,as you say, the guy has issues.Don't get dragged in Mate.

 

I appreciate the advice Mac - thanks.

 

Again, Ali fighting guys over 200 pounds is not really relevant when the division's top contenders are 245-255 pounds. There is no reason to think that because Ali could handle guys weighing 210-220 who are 6'1-6'3 this will somehow translate to success against a 6'4 1/2 245 pound Lewis, a 6'7 248 pound Vitali or a 6'6 248 pound Joshua.

Sonny Liston for example is closer in size to Marciano than he is to Anthony Joshua (25 pounds vs 36 pounds) and his opponents are much smaller than modern heavies and barely bigger than Marciano's opponents.

 

Much of Liston's rep as a puncher was built against guys who would be cruiserweights today like the tiny Patterson.

 

It would be interesting to see these modern heavies going 15 rds,don't you think?
If you doubt a 212lbs 6'3" Ali's chances against the trio you mentioned. What chance do you give a 5'10.5" 185lbs Marciano against them?

 

I think there's a point of diminishing returns size wise. I'm yet to see a someone guys like Ali, Liston, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson and co. couldn't compete with. Tyson maybe less so as he was short and passive in clinches.

 

I don't see Marciano beating them either but I think he would be competitive up until the Tyson era. By the way, I think Ali was 6'2 1/2 though a half inch doesn't make much of a difference.

 

It does appear that in the past being over a certain size generally did not help but I would hold that the quality of big men has changed over time. Prior to the 1980s the most successful heavyweights at 240+ were guys like Carnera, Willard, Abe Simon, etc. Guys like Ike Ibeabuchi, Lennox Lewis, and Anthony Joshua seem like a considerable improvement over the big men of the past in terms of speed, overall athleticism, etc.

In most previous eras 240+ heavyweights couldn't even make it into the top 10 but know they dominate the division. Wouldn't this be a strong indication that they have improved relative to smaller heavyweights?

 

Foreman, Ali are other examples of the shift towards improvement in bigger men. In earlier eras guys the size of Marciano and Dempsey usually beat the Ali, Foreman sized heavyweights at the elite level. But most people recognize that by the 70s their quality had improved to the extent that they were more difficult to defeat than the Foreman-sized Carl Morris and the Ali-sized Bob Baker, Luis Angel Firpo, etc

 

There's a lot more top quality big men about for sure.

 

less emphasis on fitness (shorter fights) and toughness (careful refereeing) has allowed them to capitalise.

And bigger people can live more productive lives these days with the cushions provided by a more developed society.

 

Holmes by easy UD or late stoppage due to cuts/swelling.

 

Another point regarding Foreman is that many people seem dismissive of the idea that a smaller man like Dempsey or Marciano could outslug or outmuscle him. However the size difference between Dempsey and Foreman is no greater than that between Foreman and Joshua. Unlike Foreman, Dempsey actually proved himself against world class heavyweights as big as Foreman whereas Foreman never fought a world class opponent as big as Joshua.