Could Marciani carry Holmes jock strap? Holmes vs Marciano

Simply put Louis was younger and stronger and he would not be retreating from Marciano he would be meeting him head on.
Louis wasn't more muscular against Rocky ,he was just older and carrying more weight. As I mentioned to JT we knew where this was going, well I'm out right now.

 

And we all know why that is. Your stumped.

213lb men are not easier to bull around the ring than when they weighed 196lb.

 

I find the argument about Foreman being the only one who could manhandle Frazier to be totally nonsensical. Heavyweights in the 1970s were much smaller than heavyweights of later eras. Frazier didn't face guys as powerful as Lewis, Tua, Ike, etc.

 

Frazier wasn't used to fighting skilled super heavyweights and had he been campaigning in a later era I suspect he would have been bombed out more often. His opponents by and large didn't possess the power of guys like Tua and Lewis.

 

I think evidence points to men generally having greater raw physical strength in their late 30s than in their early 20s. Foreman, Lewis, Holyfield, etc gave the impressaion of being physically stronger in their late 30s than their early 20s.

 

No I'm bored shitless by yet another of your agenda driven posts,none of which I missed in the 3 weeks you gave us a break from them!

 

Absolutely no agenda. It just seems like you are stumped.

I’d just like to know why you think a 196lb version of one guy is harder to shove around than when he was 213?

 

Yes if raw physical strength is the question here then this seems to be the case. Added size as a man matures should make them physically harder to shove around.

If Strength and size are just aspects towards making a case it Seems rather amusing to me that the guys who often feel this aspect is always such the “trump card” in some debates yet are not so eager to apply this rule to all other situations? A selective theory as it were..

Surely one would think such faith in this kind of rule must apply at all times?

Hmmm. Very unusual and surprising responses here...

 

Buster Mathis was a skilled super heavyweight who a prime Frazier dealt with superbly.

However, a more faded joe Frazier (in the condition he was against George Foreman), most likely would get bombed out more often against bigger men.

 

Looked about the same size as Ron Lyle to me. Not all that much bigger than Ali during the Rumble, to be honest.

 

I think Frazier might have had very tough fights against several “less great” fighters in Holmes’ era.

 

So, after retiring twice, and reaching the age of 37, Louis magically discovered 213 was his ideal and most effective fighting weight? And upon discovering this magical formula for one fight, he suddenly retired afterward... with this magical knowledge in his head?

Yeah, OK.

 

Mathis does not give the impression of being a big hitter, I don't think his power approaches that of Ruddock, Tua, Lewis etc.

 

It's the heavyweights, there is no pound for pound. There was not even a hint of Marciano in my post.

Marciano is strong for his size for sure but when confronted with guys like Foreman that strength is a non entity really.

The "Georgie boy" reference tells me straight away you have an axe to grind and will never give Foreman a fair go.

I never said anything about him fighting guys 22 pounds bigger. The fact is Foreman's strength exceeded what you would expect of the average pro heavyweight his size. It was on display numerous times.

Foreman was a bull of a man.

Yes Foreman did a wonderful job on the unbeaten 29-0 Frazier who had already defended his Heavyweight crown about 9 times.

 

Lewis would have been safety first or bombing, not manhandling. Tua too would have been throwing punches and not so much manhandling. Ike? Who knows what he'd be doing, we only seen him in a couple of meaningful fights. He might blow Frazier out but it wouldn't be in the same vain and style as Foreman did.

How do you see Tua and Ike going against Frazier?