Could Marciani carry Holmes jock strap? Holmes vs Marciano

Over 1200 boxers are rated with a mean of 224lb, I think the data is correct.

 

None of the guys in the top 10 these days are under 220 aside from Wilder and most are over 240.

 

Equating 6-0 Spinks win over a corpse Ali with the overall competition of the 70s is exactly the proper intellectual level that you need to put a fighter, whose opponents median is 190lb, into the ring with the best of the best of the 220lb devisions.
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the average weight of top heavies in the 1970s is well under 220, maybe 205 or so. It's worth noting that the biggest top-rated guys in the 50s are as big as the biggest top-rated 70s heavyweights. For example Nino Valdes is as big as Larry Holmes, Cleveland Williams is as big as Ken Norton, Sonny Liston is as big as Muhammad Ali, etc.

 

I'm going through Ali's opponents noting their weights Hunsaker 186, Siler 191, Esperti 197, Robinson 177, Fleeman 184, Clark 181 1/2, Sabedong 225, Johsnon 189, Miteff 210, Besmanoff 205 1/4, Banks 191 1/4, Warner 189 1/2, Logan 205, Daniels 189, Lavorante 208, Moore 191, Powell 214, Jones 188 etc and I am seeing lots of little guys. Seems the median weight is way under 220

 

According to my calculations over the course of 61 fights the average weight of Ali's opponents comes out to 204.454918 pounds so roughly 204 1/2.

 

So The 1950s version of joe Louis (who legitimately earned #1 rating beating bivins, Savold and Cesar Brion) was bigger than the average weight of Ali’s opposition. Interesting.

 

More relevant is their average age!

 

Correct. This is due to the 60s era with alot of very low weights (no heavyweight devision). But this thread is not about Ali, its about Holmes, who fought only in 70s until 2002. The mean for his opponents is 212, the mean of opponents + their opponents is 215.
Both for Lewis and Tyson is 220. It is truth that there is an increase of weight over the time for the opposition fought by beld holders. For example, Lewis opponents median is 228 and Chagaev opponents median is 238.

A good estimation for the 70s weight would be like an avarage of 210, like Nortons opposition. So the Marciano era is 25 pounds away from the 70s, the 70s is 14 pound away from Kltschko era. But like I said before, I think that fighters nowadays are not that trimmed and carry a little too much. Indeed the 70s is the first time you can talk about a true heavyweight devision with most fighters >200lb .....

 

They have it 189 for Louis opponents + their opponents (more than 1800!), which is pretty much the same than Marcianos era. Basically everyone with > 200lb and equal power for that weight had a huge advantage, just counting on power alone with little else. Max Baer comes instantly to mind.
If I get these tables correct, 200 of these boxers had the 200lb limit, and only 80 of 1100 in Marcianos era!

What does it tell you? You can basically throw any comparisons in therms of weightclasses under different boxers in different eras out of the window. Mathews, ****ell, Lastarza, Valdes, Bivins, Brion, Savold etc etc....nobody of those men prooved any achievements in a real heavyweight environment.

 

What’s a “real” heavyweight environment?

An environment after the heavyweights started juicing?

 

The environment of the earth, where men become bigger over the time:

https://ourworldindata.org/wp-conte...rage-height-of-men-for-selected-countries.png

As well as the overall population increases, both of course lead to more big athletes: https://i0.wp.com/www.historyfuture.../uploads/2012/11/populationgrowthhistory2.jpg

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This doesn't tell the whole story though.

The average height has actually decreased in some eras!

 

1850 onwards, if you are not interested in ancient greek boxing....
There were world wars too, as well as cultural differences in sport.