Could Marciani carry Holmes jock strap? Holmes vs Marciano

Larry Holmes is not a modern-sized heavyweight. Modern heavyweights are generally 240-265 pounds and 6'4-6'7. Believing that Marciano could beat Holmes has nothing to do with thinking he could take Joshua or other modern heavyweights.

 

They generally fail drug tests too. Ortiz, povetkin, Pulev, Tyson Fury, Dillion Whyte, Tony Thompson, Lucas Browne...

Maybe some of those modern heavyweights might weigh a whole lot less in Larry Holmes or Marcianos day?

Tall guys with thin arms and long necks never used to make it in boxing. But at 260lb they become relevant today.

 

It sounds like a pile of **** to me,and trumpeted by someone who was probably banned previously.

 

I wouldn´t bet a penny on Holmes beating Joshua, but keep in mind that Holmes fought alot of fighters >220lb. He fought 16 fighters >= 230lb and even more at 220. Joshua fought 20 opponents and some even in the 220s, avarage opponents weight is 237. Marciano fought only 5 guys >= 210lb, beside Louis every resume is full of losses, although having a huge weight advantage in that era.... plus we know what Louis prime weight was.

The overlap between Holmes and Joshuas era is much bigger than Marcianos with Holmes. The opposite is true, Holmes beating Joshua is alot more plausible by who they fought than Marciano beating a rocksolid 210lb mover. He simply fought zero 210lb quality mover, nilch, nada, niente.

 

Why wouldn’t you bet a penny on Holmes beating Joshua? Larry handled big guys l8ke an expert.

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Larry was usually under 224. Heavyweights now are routinely 260 ...and routinely fail drug test.

 

Its about their opponents weight, not about Larrys or Joshuas. Yes Larry did fight some comparable (in therms of weight) boxers to Joshua in his 20 fights.
But thats only half of the truth. We are rating fighters for their resume, for what they actually did and how good they did when winning or losing.

Lets say Joshua 20 fights opponents had and avarge weight of 237lb and you will find 16 opponents in Larrys resume with pretty much the same weight and Larry did good against them. Everything fine, any differences? Of course! If the avarage weight in Larrys era is 210, and the avarage weight in Joshuas era is 237, all the 235lb fighters in Larrys era had an weight advantage in almost every fight they had, which is absolutely not the case for Joshuas era. 235 pounders fight 235 pounders in that environment today. So you better check if the big guys in Larrys era were more than avarage (at least they should be), if not, they just couldn´t make it yet they had an weight advantage all the time. In other words: If they couldn´t make it with a 25lb advantage, they will never make in Joshuas environment without any weight advantage -> Joshuas big guys are just better. Logically consistent.

This is exactly why I find it extremely important what "environment" these fighters were getting their wins and losses in. Superheavyweights 80 years ago could not proove if they were comparable to today SHs when their rivals were 50 pounds lighter everytime they fought.

 

Disagree, the size gap between Joshua and Holmes world-class opponents is bigger than that between Holmes and Marciano's world-class opponents. Holmes is only about 15 pounds heavier than Walcott, Layne, etc whereas Joshua outweighs Holmes opponents by 25 pounds or so.

 

Read the post before. You need to check the environment (opponents + their opponents), otherweise you can just not say how they gained their resume. Is absolutely not only about Joshuas or Larrys weight, particularly Joshua seems to come under 250 for Parker and Larry did never bulk up.

But I´m totally fine if you say Marciano looses to Holmes (since he never fought someone like him) and Holmes looses to Joshua the same way.