Could Marciani carry Holmes jock strap? Holmes vs Marciano

I still rank Rocky as a higher ATG than either of them, though. He retired undefeated with wins over Louis, Walcott and Charles, they didn't.

 

Bye Bye $$$.

 

On the other hand Holmes went life and death with an old Shavers while he was at his absolute peak himself. Marciano was better than Shavers in just about every single way. "Without a doubt" my ass.

 

Shavers was 35 How many rounds did he win in that fight ? Marciano went life and death with a 38 years old Walcott and was behind on points when he ko'd him.
Below is an extract from a 2008 interview with Shavers
SM: Your thoughts on the second Holmes fight. Did you think Holmes would ever have got up from that right hand?

ES: NO! But let me tell you something. If Holmes and I fought twenty-five times, he would probably win twenty-five of them. Holmes was the most underrated fighter of his era. What a great fighter he was. Holmes and I had sparred previously and he knew me too well, he knew all my moves."



"All three scorecards would later reveal Holmes was up big after six rounds were complete.

The seventh round began with Cosell proclaiming, “Tremendous blood out of the right eye of Earnie Shavers. Holmes is relentless in the use of the left jab. Shavers fighting half-blindly now.”

With 40 seconds remaining in the round, both lighting and thunder struck. As Holmes was bouncing on his toes and firing his left jab, Shavers timed a perfect overhand right that impaled on the side of Holmes face. Like a block pulled from the bottom of a tall Jenga tower, Holmes crashed to the canvas in a heap. With one punch, Shavers had changed the course of the action. Cosell screamed, “The right hand! Devastating right caught him!”

As Holmes climbed to his feet, fans were evenly split at ringside as some had a look of stunned disbelief while others displayed raw excitement over the Shavers power. Many were on their feet screaming and pumping their fists in the air as Shavers went in for the kill.

Cosell continued, “Holmes is staggering. He is wobbly. He is holding on! He got clocked with that Earnie Shavers right! Earnie is wild trying to get at Holmes! Earnie swinging wildly! Holmes, defenseless, taking it from Shavers! What noise! What a turn of events!”

Holmes regained control in the eighth as he kept Shavers at bay, again circling and using the long left jab. Cosell continued, “But now, all eyes are focused on that Shavers right as Holmes runs. And do you blame him? This fight has become something!”

In rounds nine and 10, Holmes continued to control the action. Seemingly back in command, he opened up with vicious combinations. Out of nowhere, Shavers stepped in and blasted Holmes with an overhand right and again floored the champion in the 10th round.

There wasn’t a person in sight sitting as the crowd at Caesars was in a frenzy. Incredibly, Pearl ruled it a slip. In between rounds, a confused Cosell commented, “I have just talked with referee Dave Peal, who said ‘I ruled that a slip, the blow was on the shoulder. I ruled it a slip, not a knockdown.’”

Entering the 11th, Holmes began wailing away at Shavers with hooks and uppercuts. As Shavers was taking tremendous punishment, Holmes pressed him against the ropes and launched a final attack unleashing the better part of his arsenal. An avalanche of punches landed to the head and to the body as Pearl stepped in to halt the action.

Holmes had survived winning by TKO at exactly two minutes of the eleventh round.

Summarizing the excitement of the night, Cosell described the evening’s events, “The crowd is still here. No one has left. They realized that a boxing lesson turned suddenly into a brawl.”

Shavers would not get another title shot after the second loss to Holmes. He retired in 1983 and later attempted a pair of comebacks that were not successful. In 1982, Shavers was invited to the set of Rocky III as Sylvester Stallone toyed with the idea of using a professional fighter to play the part of Clubber Lang. Shavers was tentative is sparring with Stallone who then encouraged him to show more fire. In heeding that advice, he whacked Stallone hard to the body who would later say, “That nearly killed me. I went straight to the men’s room and threw up.”

Holmes continued his domination of the division and scored dominant wins over Ali, Gerry Cooney and Marvis Frazier. After running his record to 48-0, he was twice beaten by Michael Spinks and stepped away from the ring in the Spring of 1986. Holmes would return multiple times and continue to fight the best in the division. Although losing to Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield, he would score wins over Oliver McCall and Ray Mercer. Holmes last fought in July of 2002 and was inducted into the Boxing Hall of Fame in 2008."





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I said nothing about Walcott VS Marciano so you seem to be arguing with yourself here.

 

You said this .
"On the other hand Holmes went life and death with an old Shavers while he was at his absolute peak himself"
In rebuttal I pointed out that Marciano went life and death with a 38years old Walcott.

 

Footwork. Marciano doesn't have footspeed to get inside quickly. Shavers was much taller he didn't have to take that much of a step forward to land his right.
Don't forget Holmes liked to raise his long arms to make shorter opponents punch around them. Something even the lightning quick prime tyson had trouble with.

Here is how i see it going.

Holmes jabs Marciano or extends his left arm out, Marciano crouches and takes a step forward trying to bring the right over the top and because of his lack of footspeed Holmes steps back and feeds him an uppercut, steps to the side or steps in and grabs for a clinch. Rinse and repeat.

Marciano was a Foreman type bludgeoning puncher.not a snappy Patterson or Dempsey type "switch your lights off" puncher. One shot wouldn't do it. I also don't see Marciano face holding up long enough for him to slow Holmes down to the body so that he can land the right over the top without Holmes just stepping away

 

Shavers has 11 inches more reach than Marciano.

 

Marciano had faster feet than both Tyson and Shavers.

 

Shavers possibly ,Tyson? I don't think so. Against Holmes in their first fight Earnie was in a 20foot ring ,once he was a main event fighter Marciano seldom fought in one that big his defence against Cockell for example was in a 16foot ring.
Shavers doesn't look slower than Marciano here.

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I disagree.

 

There's a surprise!

 

lol

 

You say that like it's a good thing.

 

The stupid sh*t people are required to say in order to correlate Marciano's competition to modern heavies never fails to amuse me.

It's a cult.