Could Marciano make 168lbs if he turned pro today?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Tale of the tape throws up some interesting stuff here.

    Froch is listed as 6'1. Marciano 5'10.5 in height.

    Normal chest, Froch is listed as 43.5". Marciano is listed as 40.5 inches.

    Expanded chest, Froch 45", Maricano 42"

    Reach, Froch 76", Marciano 68"

    Waist, Froch 32", Marciano 35"

    Biceps Froch 14.5", Marciano 14"

    Calf Froch 14.5", Marciano 14.75"

    Thigh Froch 21", Marciano 22"


    These are cobbled together a bit from different sources, first of all, so like all tale of the tapes it could be off. Second, i can't find measurements for both for ankles or fists. But overall the difference are slight and in favour of Froch. he's taller with a bigger chest and a smaller waist, basically.
     
  2. mostobviousalt

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    Froch no (I think), but he isn't a big drainer either.
    But he may have a frame to carry as much weight as Rocky.

    But a guy like Chad Dawson.

    Chad Dawson was 202 against George Blades.
    185 against Ward. (badly drained though)


    Marciano has weighed in below 180 a few times.
    And was 180 for Carmine Vingo.

    185 to 168 is too much for most and would likely leave Rocky drained too.

    But from 178 or 180 to a dehydrated 168.
    That's not far fetched.

    I know there are lightheavies who are bigger than Rocky.

    Would it be that hard to find a SMW roughly the size of Marciano, even if it's just the Rocky who weighed in sub 180/180.
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    It's definitely thought provoking.

    My mind isn't really allowing it to seem real though.

    Carl Froch bigger than Rocky Marciano?

    Have all our fantasy matches been so off point?

    Froch v Marciano
    Ward v Dempsey
    Gonzalez v Arguello
    Khan v Hagler

    Is that what we should have been debating all this time?
     
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  4. McGrain

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    Not really.

    Reach: Golovkin 74", Hagler 75"
    Neck: Golovkin 16", Hagler 16"
    Chest (normal): Golovkin 40", Hagler 40"
    Biceps: Golovkin 12'5", Hagler 15"
    Forearm: Golovkin 14", Hagler 12"
    Waist: Golovkin 31", Hagler 30"
    Wrist: Golovin 7", Hagler 7"
    Fist: Golovkin 11", Hagler 12"
    Thigh: Golovin 22", Hagler 22"
    Calf: Golovkin g14", Hagler 15"

    And so on.

    I'll bet that Hagler's biceps was measured flexed and this makes them almost identical.
     
  5. LittleRed

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    Archie Moore weighed in for the fight against Marciano a quarter pound lighter. He had a longer reach and bigger biceps. His chest was a half inch smaller. The only major difference was waist size. Are we going to argue that Moore and Marciano are the same size?
     
  6. McGrain

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    I would say they're about the same size by then, yes. Moore was over forty and had clearly thickened up a bit. He could hold 200lbs by 1955. There was no way he could have done that in 1940.

    A large light-heavy would tend to be within approximate size of a small heavy, which is an accurate description of both for their era.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    Not if they weighed in several hours before.
    If they weigh in the morning they can be rehydrate a lot heavier by the evening.
     
  8. McGrain

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    Froch walks around at between 185 and 190 pounds.
     
  9. red cobra

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    Yeah, I could forsee a Chris Byrd type of disaster...when he came in at a lower weight and got ko'ed.
    This is all science fiction type stuff when you're referring to Marciano...he was a creature of his own era,...the 50's and the training methods therein, very much...in a very specific way, ...Rocky just wouldn't be Rocky in any other time or era, as opposed to many other fighters who you might find plausible in this thread's scenario.
     
  10. mostobviousalt

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    Byrd was almost 38 when he went down 35 pounds. He had been above 210 pounds for more than a decade.

    In McGrains scenario with the 178 pound younger Rocky going down to 168 it's just 10 pounds, and a much younger guy.

    Rocky to 175 would be a 3-10 pound drop depending.

    That's not really comparable to Byrd is it?
     
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  11. mostobviousalt

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    Lighter actually, but he's a dedicated guy who's in shape the whole year round.

    [url]http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/08/froch-ward-carl-starting-training-camp-at-175-lbs-for-super-six-finals/[/url]
     
  12. McGrain

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    My source is an article in the telegraph written by Carl Froch (the direct quote is "about thirteen and a half stone"). I'm not sure I prefer yours...
     
  13. mostobviousalt

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    That's very fair.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    I just don't know anything any more.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    How much does Golovkin gain after his weigh in? About ten pounds or so?

    Does that mean he's the same size as a pre title Floyd Patterson?