Could Marvin Hagler go 12 with Ron Lyle?

In say 1977 if hagler in his prime faced Lyle, it would be a very hard fought affair probably with Ron stopping or wearing down Hagler.. Lyle had unearthly power... Hagler was floored by Juan Domingo Roldan an awkward middleweight from Argentina.. Ron is in a different power class..

 

That was a slip, and I'm pretty sure on appeal that it went down in the history books as that.

 

No.

 

That's because he loves Hearns' nuts for some reason :hey

 

Hagler was officially knocked down against Roldan, no arguements from me on that one. The referee later admitted he called it wrong though, a few days after the fight. Hagler was more or less scratched across the top of the head from a grazing hook, but he had lost his balance and was on his way down anyway, with the punch just helping matters.

 

I think Marvin was a natural 160lber but he was a solid guy and was able to move, I dont know how the extra luggage would have suited him but he was a lot faster than Lyle and Lyle was slow, who would think James Toney would have been a solid hEAVY AT 5"9...I THINK A GOOD WEIGHT OF SOLID 190LBS GIVE OR TAKE AND MARVIN COULD LAST AND MABY WIN

 

Personally, I reckon part of the reason JT comes to the conclusion Hagler's overrated is because of Red Rooster's outrageous and unfair views on Leonard while being pro Hagler to the extreme at the same time. Biased for and against.

If Rooster was non-existent on planet earth his opinion might well be the same, but Rooster doesn't help matters.

 

That's probably true, Robbi The Rooster and JT can settle that one amongst themselves.

I'm not a huge fan of Leonard, but he did OK. I still don't really get why him and Hagler didn't fight again, though.

 

I'm not a Leonard fan either, but have appreciated him more over the last few months. A sneaky chap inside and outside the ring. Hagler's comments after he lost were laughable, to say the least.

 

You guys are totally underestimating Hagler, here.

For some of you to suggest he could not step up to light heavyweight is ridiculous. Sugar Ray Leonard stepped up to light heavy and obtained world title status after he had been monstered by Hagler and only won by using superior speed and movement. Hearns was successful as a light heavy after being mauled by Hagler. Roberto Duran stepped up to light heavy world challenger status and even won some fights at cruiser after being mauled by Hagler. Why cant a prime Marvin Hagler fight at this weight? Roy Jones, Hopkins, and many others are simple examples of modern middles who do it all the time. If they can, an alltime great certainly can. If you are not an all time great light heavyweight, you do not have much of a chance against Hagler.

Regarding the heavyweights, it is obviously a little different. Obviously the rock solid chin, may not be as solid, but it wont be total glass. Look at every single great middleweight (or light heavy) who ever stepped up, Foster, Spinks, Greb, Moorer, Toney, Fitzsimmons, Tunney, Jones Jr etc. They dont just fold when they are hit (unless clocked clean by a huge atg heavy/hitter). They beat the majority of their heavy opponents, they are always capable of hurting heavys and they can always hurt heavys themselves, though not usually as well as they hurt light heavys. Sure Spinks was KOd in 90 secs by Tyson, but so was Williams, Berbick and others. In fact it is highly possible that Ali or anyone else may have been felled by the same shots. Even foster, so often considered a failure as a heavy, beat plenty of heavys and only lost to the very best (at least the top 4 or 5 of their time) and usually ATG heavys.

Does Lyle fit this criteria? Possibly, although probably not. Certainly a loss by Hagler would be no embarassment for his ledgeer. And with Lyle's power a KO loss is definitely a good possibility. But, more than likely Lyle will not win, without landing plenty and taking plenty. Where this gets very interesting is after 8 or 9 rounds. By this time, i can see Lyle a little confused and frustrated by the Southpaw stance, unable to land cleanly, and slowing up and one offing an awful lot. If this happens, it would make the latter rounds very, very interesting as i would expect Hagler to start landing much more often. I dont think that a Hagler KO or points decision is out of the question, even if Lyle would start favourite and certainly be a much bigger challenge than any other fighter Hagler ever faced.

 

I readily admit i am a critic and think he is overrated to a point among the greats. Your post shows you to be as much pro Hagler as i am anti i reckon. We probably never saw Hagler seriously hurt and when a big man like Lyle puts the hurt on it's anyones guess how he reacts. When truly hurt he might have very average survival skills for all we know. Also, imposing his superior skills on a man so much heavier and bigger is going to be nothing like a fight against say, John Mugabi. Haglers no Roy Jones in there, who used his slickness and pure speed (Basically his great elusiveness)against an average lighter punching (and possibly uninspired for some reason) heavyweight to get home. I can't see Marvin getting past round 6 if Lyle is at his finest.

 

I think Spinks and Qawi would be very good questions. Those two might be debatable.

 

Toney did it at a weight in excess of 230 and is a very different type of fighter to Hagler. I'd say if Hagler bulked up even over 175 it might be too much for him to handle. Surely 190.

 

Says the raving lunatic who rates Hagler as equal to or above Hearns in one punch power at 160

:rofl