Could Mayweather Jr make it undefeated fighting at Ray Robinson's schedule vs the same opposition

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL. It's not a Monzon thread, so that increases the odds of us agreeing 10 fold.
     
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  2. Blaxx

    Blaxx New Member Full Member

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    SRR fought Shapiro, Angott and Servo within 6 weeks or so, in his 2nd year as a pro.
    Of course Floyd would be defeated, severally. It's not just the schedule in terms of volume, but the really good fighters SRR was put in there with early on.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You make a fair point regarding sparring, but sparring and fighting are still obviously much different.

    Yes, under different circumstances, Floyd would/could have had more wins. But it wouldn't have been possible for him to have remained undefeated over 200 fights.

    He couldn't have fought every 3-4 weeks like Ray did and kept his zero.

    Floyd's had bad hands for a while.

    Ray was still fighting in his 40's.

    Nobody in the history of the sport could go 200-0.

    Nobody.
     
  4. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m damn sure Robinson would go undefeated fighting at Floyd’s schedule and against the caliber of opposition he fought (more particularly at the stage of their careers when he fought them) if you flipped it around. In fact I doubt he’d even have a close fight amongst it.

    Floyd was a brilliant fighter but he was also very,very calculating and liked things to be on his terms particularly after he became a mega star. If Roby could dictate terms to skew things further his way then he’d be even more dominant.
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Robinson went 50-0 (50kos) against Mayweathers opponents at the time he faced them
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's hard comparing timelines.

    In order to be fair, you'd have to make Ray the exact same age as what Floyd was when he fought them all. So it would have to be a 36 year old version of Ray vs Canelo etc. But it's still very interesting though, as Ray would have been much fresher and he'd have aged much better, had he only have fought the 50 times instead of over 200 like he did in his career.
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Tbh honest I was going off of number of fights, so Robinson from his debut vs Mayweathers debut opponent and so on. But when I think that through He'd have huge size advantages against the super featherweights and be small against Canelo and Mosely ect. (But it's not like I'd even consider them winning, or even in with a chance)
     
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  8. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know ole Buck he was out of Oklahoma he was a hustler but he would fight anyone anywhere anytime...a throw back

    The answer to the original OP....NO SRR is the best there ever was and FMM ain't beating an animal like Jake LaMotta 5 out of six times
     
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  9. META5

    META5 Active Member Full Member

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    Good to be back, Drew!

    PBF is one of my top 10 favourite fighters of all times but I think you know me to be a fair guy.

    I have argued Castillo winning it, I have argued a draw and I have seen PBF just win the first fight depending on what I was looking for. For me, PBF was pushed physically like we have never seen and yes, I asterisk with the injury, but my eyes say that Castillo was the dominant fighter in the ring and PBF struggled.

    As you have mentioned in your later post, he doesn't go above lightweight in SRR's era. If he does, he potentially becomes a Charley Burley - someone who is unquestionably skilled, but avoided as he could make you look bad. I also wonder if his risk-averse style would draw fans or would he suffer from being perceived as unwarrior-like.
     
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  10. surfinghb

    surfinghb Well-Known Member Full Member

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    May wasn't built for being an active fighter. Maybe it was his hands issue. He only had around 40 fights in 18 years of healthy boxing. There is a big difference in what Pac did with his career and what Floyd did… For him to be placed in early era's and be highly successful, you have to be very active, fight the best at their best, and basically be an animal … This just wasn't May.
     
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  12. META5

    META5 Active Member Full Member

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    I wonder how you say yes - I really do.

    On the same schedule, with the same style with relatively the same money rewards of SRR's era, having to travel to different places, different promoters and judges and not being home/judge favourite, as well as fighting a few people who could be legitimate super middleweights - he doesn't replicate SRR for my money, but I am interested in why you think he does.
     
  13. Drew101

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    I definitely think PBF struggled at points in the Castillo fight, but I also think he built up enough of a cushion in the early rounds to withstand JLC's charge. I typically tend to lean FMJ at this point, but I can see a case for thinking JLC won a fight with enough close rounds that a close decision either way would have been appropriate.

    Mayweather was more exciting early in his career, so I think he may have gained some traction as a contender and champion earlier in his career. Over time, as his style became more minimalist and less aggressive, he might have become more avoided and less marketable, maybe. Then again, holding the status of lineal lightweight champion would have allowed him to be involved in notable fights with the likes of Angott, Montgomery, Jack and Williams...And I think he could certainly have attained that status at some point in the early to mid 40's.

    Mayweather may not have gone undefeated, but I think he'd acquit himself well in what turned out to be a very solid era for lightweights and might go down as one of the greats, anyway.
     
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  14. META5

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    Exactly why I can score it three different ways depending on what I am looking for on the day. If I go by the overall feel of the fight aka, who do I feel was the more dominant guy over the course of the fight, I can score it to Castillo. If I factor it on a round by round basis of who made the fight, cleaner shots, more quality work, ring generalship and defence, then I can give it to PBF on a close decision. I temper my decision based on the fact that Floyd was genuinely hurt and he proved what he needed in the rematch. Regardless, if I look at the sport as one of the most masculine endeavours and apply a Mexican mentality, I find it hard to give Floyd the benefit of the close rounds.

    Floyd at 130lbs was extremely exciting, for me anyway - if he managed to stay around the 130 - 135 lbs mark throughout his career and continue to take on and beat the very best with no politricks, then I'd very well say that he would have gone down on paper and H2H ability as one of the very best. Your earlier post alluded to his size and reach advantage and yes, most definitely. I wonder how he might have fared against a **** Saddler, for example, at a catchweight. The Floyd that I saw beat up on Gatti is probably the best version of his athletic talents and defensive radar that I would propose as a H2H beast to face historical Gods of War.

    I agree with your assertion that he could have become lineal champion, but as soon as he stops fighting in the pocket and going toe to toe as he did in his younger career, he will be in with the likes of an Angott, Montgomery, Jack and especially Williams, who for me, is a danger man for him.

    Whilst, I agree that he would have been one of the elite fighters, not sure how someone of his mentality with his ability would have worked in the controlled environment of the 1940s, let alone how quickly his body could fail him with inferior medical knowledge, nutirition and sports science at the comparative time that SRR was plying his trade.
     
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  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Floyd wouldn’t be able to keep Robinson’s schedule due to hand and shoulder injuries. Level of opposition isn’t the main issue.
     



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