Could Mayweather Jr make it undefeated fighting at Ray Robinson's schedule vs the same opposition

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Jul 16, 2019.

  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

    Apr 3, 2012
    Another thing to consider is scoring. Mayweather existed in era where clean punching was the main scoring criterion. Mayweather always caught opponents with clean shots while not getting hit cleanly very often—which often goes over the heads of The Jose Luis Castillo Fan Club. There were differences in Robinson’s era where that wasn’t rewarded quite as much.
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  2. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 5, 2004
    Here's the thing, Mayweather has brittle hands; he has injured them in fights and his layoffs during his tenure at 147 have been necessary in protecting them.

    I think the difficulty would be the timeline more so than any individual opponent. I don't think he goes undefeated, he'll pick up an unexpected loss here and there but he has the talent to rival if not better SRR's own win loss record.
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  3. Jel

    Jel Boxing Addict Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Mayweather at lightweight (his natural weight in the 1940s)? Maybe. That is, if you think he could consistently beat Beau Jack, Bob Montgomery and Ike Williams, something that none of those three could do against each other. But it's a tough ask. However, May was at least at his best between 130-135.

    Mayweather at welterweight in the 40s? No chance.
    We're talking about a Mayweather in his late 20s (at 140lbs) or his 30s at this weight and that version was cherry picking his opposition. I really don't think he could meet the kind of schedule Robinson was handling in the early-mid '40s and the guys he beat.

    I do think Mayweather could have been competitive in this era at the right weight but I think it highly doubtful he could remain unbeaten.

    That he isn't as great as SRR is not an indictment of Mayweather as a fighter - he was still a great one, but just not as great as Sugar Ray.
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  4. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 21, 2017
    I think Mayweather would need a priest to perform last rites if he was about to go get in the ring with Hagler.
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  5. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 21, 2017
    Even McGregor??? Not McGregor??
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 21, 2017
    Yeah...a fighter like LaMotta could have been a modern day super middle and in 5 out of 6 fights, Robinson came into the ring as a legit welter, not a welter who bulked up. Imagine today a top welter fighting a top middle/super middle and arriving in the ring on fight night weighing within the welter limit while the middle/super middle is in the ring at his regular weight?
  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

    Mar 19, 2012
    The hand issues would be the most obvious hurdle. Floyd's skills would serve him well in any era. He can handle himself....but
    Jake LaMotta 5 times from 42-45. That is a physical fight. Even if Mayweather is peppering him he won't be able to move that animal and he will take damage. Giving away 10-15lbs. Robinson didn't just fight guys one time and squeak by them for his resume. He was trying to eat. Most of the good fighters he faced got mutiple chances to beat.
    Bell 2x
    Costner 2x
    Gavilan 2x
    Olsen 4x
    LaMotta 6x
    Etc...guys had a chance to learn his style and try again.
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  8. Grapefruit

    Grapefruit Active Member Full Member

    Dec 19, 2017
    Mayweather wasn't greater than the original sugar ray. That being said he would likely outpoint Robinson's best opposition
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    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 18, 2012
    Fighting that often means you are stepping into the ring at times on off nights. Mayweather was able to plan all his bouts meticulously as he had the time and resources to do so. It’s an entirely different ballgame with a fighter like SRR.
  10. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

    Feb 5, 2009
    This thread doesn't make any sense. Floyd fought his first 27 fights at 130 lbs; he didn't enter the WW division until approximately 10 years as a professional.

    It would be more appropriate to select a natural WW to hypothesize how they would've fared fighting Robinson's run in the WW division, someone like Ray leonard or Thomas Hearns. Not a junior lightweight who moved up several divisions before even entering the 147 lb division.
  11. Skins

    Skins Well-Known Member Full Member

    Oct 20, 2011
    I can't see Floyd fighting Jake LaMotta twice in one week. And would all the fights be in Vegas? Would all the 15 rounders be chopped to 12 rounds? Would they all be under Floyd's rules? I just don't see Floyd being anything special in that era. The whole Money May thing wouldn't have flown back then so I doubt he would have been the draw he was in this era meaning he would have been playing under the same rules as everybody else. Would have been a good fighter and a tough out for anybody but not an undefeated monster in my opinion
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  12. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Addict booted Full Member

    Nov 21, 2009
    You just described canelos career
  13. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Active Member Full Member

    Jun 23, 2018
    Mayweather would not have been undefeated if faced Ray Leonard's comp
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  14. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

    Jan 10, 2007
    LOL no. Of course no. It's impossible at all.

    If you fight twice per year (Floyd) it's far easier to stay undefeated.

    When Robinson lost to Turpin, it was his 5th fight in 4th country (Belgium, Germany, Italy and then Britain) in 30 days.
    All 5 guys were with good or excellent records.

    Also the gap between elite boxer and merely good boxer is far lesser when they aren't preparing at camps, just fighting.

    Had Mayweather had the same schedule, with no training camps and 100s rounds of sparring preparing for certain opponents, he'd lose, and certainly more than once.

    Imagine Floyd ain't having 2 fights per year, instead he goes on tour and fights, say, Demarcus Corley, Reggie Green, Janluca Branco, Micky Ward and (finally) JL Castillo in 30 days in 4 different countries. He ain't sparring or studying opponents, just fighting.

    Do you expect it would be easy for Floyd? I think the possibility of loss in that case is far, FAR higher.

    Floyd isn't god, he isn't unhuman. If he had 200 fights against Robinson's opposition in the same timeframe, he'd have had plenty losses.
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  15. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 26, 2009
    No he wouldn't. Floyd was very controlled how he picked his fights and when and knew every detail and timing. If he had to fight Robinson's opponents like Robinson did quickly and randomly, and the footage was not as clear then to study an opponent. I think he would have a few losses if not 10.

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