Could McCall take Wilder's best shots?

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Could McCall take Wilder's best shots without getting dropped or wobbled?

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  2. No

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  1. Heracles

    Heracles Debonair banned Full Member

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    Except Stiverne 1. Do you not take into account the quality of opposition?

    Joe Louis could have taken out every single fighter Wilder has faced including Stiverne 1.
     
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  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder could do the same to Louis' opposition and spark Schmeling out for good measure.
     
  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    So Wilder is in the position to criticize the quality of opposition?

    How about these opponents? How would Wilder do?

    Trevor Berbick
    James Smith
    PinklonThomas
    Tony Tucker
    Tyrell Biggs
    Larry Holmes
    Tony Tubbs
    Mike Spinks
    Frank Bruno
    Carl Williams
     
  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He would likely knock them all out, you can add a certain Mr Douglas to that list as well......
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes, your mind definitely works differently to others.
     
  6. Heracles

    Heracles Debonair banned Full Member

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    Maybe Wilder as of right now. If Wilder fought them h2h on the same schedule that Louis did then he gets sparked by Baer, Carnera, and Retzlaff in his first two years pro.
     
  7. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    :lol: It took him 10 for Ortiz, 11 for Duhaupass, 12 for Stiverne and 9 for the fat Molina. He´s not knocking out Tucker, thats for sure. Smith and Bruno are stronger and hit harder than anyone he fought before, both can end an Ortiz-Job and frag his mandible. Tucker, Biggs, Douglas, Thomas and Holmes have movement, something Wilder has never seen.
    Just nothing proves he can go through that bunch of fighters....
     
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  8. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He didnt spar Tyson with 10oz gloves and no head gear. Wilder could probably stop Mcall, yes, he didnt have the boxing skills to beat Wilder. Wilder punches very very hard.
     
  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Berbick could survive Wilder, I mean, Berbick was only stopped 2x. Once as a novice fighter against a more experienced hard puncher and the second time against a prime Mike Tyson.

    Smith could crack as well so Wilder had better mind his P'S and Q's or he could end up like Witherspoon did in the rematch.

    Thomas was only ever floored by a prime Mike Tyson who had to unload on him. Even as a washed up fighter, Holyfield and Bowe tee'd off on him and couldn't put him away and they were landing clean, solid shots. Holyfield wasn't as hard a puncher as Tyson or Bowe, but Holyfield had some good HW punching power and dropped bigger guys like Douglas and Bowe with single shots. Thomas, while not a devastating puncher had some solid heavyweight punching power. And at his best had very good world level boxing skills. He certainly had better boxing skills than Wilder does. I think Thomas would test Wilder.

    Same with Tucker. He survived a prime Tyson and prime Lewis and at his best was a big man with very good boxing skills and was a borderline SHW when in shape. Tucker would test Wilder.

    I think Wilder stops Biggs more likely than not.

    An old Holmes was full of guile. He was 4 years older when he fought Holyfield and Mercer and as anyone knows, especially in any top level pro sport, including boxing, there can be a world of difference between 38 and 42. At that age, 4 years may as well be 40 years. He was 4 years younger when he was stopped by Tyson but 4 years older when he beat Mercer and took Holyfield the distance. I'm not of the opinion that any prime HW could've beaten even a 38 year old Holmes and if they did, it likely wouldn't have been the way Tyson did it and they may struggle a lot more. I think Holmes, even at this point would test Wilder.

    M. Spinks had the style and guile to test Wilder as well. Spinks had a solid chin at LHW but at heavy was more vulnerable so Wilder, simply due to his power would be a danger for Spinks, but Spinks had what it took to out box Wilder and befuddle him.

    Bruno did well against Lewis up until the end and was out boxing him. Wilder was being out boxed by Gerald Washington. It's just that Bruno tended to hold back and end up losing fights he should've by all rights won. So I'll pick Wilder to win, but Bruno may make him look bad.

    Williams, like Spinks had what it took to out box Wilder, but his chin was vulnerable. So I'd say Williams would've outboxed Wilder until mid to late rounds when Wilder would've stopped him.
     
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    Lewis imo is a heavier puncher than Wilder, i'm not sold on him being in the top league with the likes of Lewis Foreman Wlad ect. Hes awkward and wild and that makes him dangerous, but his level of comp needs to be taken in to consideration when assessing his punch power
     
  12. mark ant

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    There`s a youtube vid of Tyson landing a vicious body shot on McCall in sparring and in agony McCall jumped out of the ring!
     
  13. mark ant

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    Holy dropped Mercer with a hook and Wilder punches harder than Holy.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Bruno`s punches weren`t always as hard as Wilder`s because they were more telegraphed and slower, there`s more speed in Wilder`s punches and I think he has more one punch KO`s, Leewis didn`t land any Wilder type shots on McCall, the first fight hadden`t got going when Lennox got caught and the second fight had a tentative Lewis standing off and jabbing mostly he wasn`t trying for a KO and hadn`t developed his brilliant 1-2`s as yet.
     
  15. mark ant

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    McCall was never wobbled by Bruno.