Could Mike Tyson really beat Joe Frazier?

Punch for punch he is you are cluelss and reading your logic cant grasp eras don't make the fighter better the actual skill does.

If anyone want to see Wlads speed they have to watch the clips or fights,you don't know how to watch ,I think you read everything by guys like Monte Cox.:yep


Tyson never lost under Rooney you fool on the contrary ali did lose to Tyson like fiighters and klitcko like ones like Norton.

 

Wow that's just to dumb to respond to..again read last reply above see'ya!:hi:

 

Well that's debatable as Holme fought Holyfield at 43 and beat prime Mercer something even for 80's holmes would find difficult ,regardless im not the idiot who created a thread suggesting Frazier would defeat Tyson! :silly

 

That's debatable?? nut

 

As per your original question BF89. Yes I think he would have beaten Frazier, convincingly too. Joe was a pressure fighter who took a round or three to warm up, this is how Buster Mathis sr would, and did outbox Joe over three rounds any day of the week. Tyson on the other hand would come out blazing more often than not, and I think he would have caught Joe fairly early on causing a stoppage loss. This is not to say I am a Tyson "fan", I'm not, so lets get that one straight, I much prefer to "like" Frazier for what he stood for and what he did for the sport, I just cannot see Joe or Larry beating Mike prime for prime. On the other hand, someone that I would give a better than not chance of beating Mike, would be a prime, fired up Tim Witherspoon.

 

Heart Heart Frazier has it Tyson doesn't.
Tyson would cry on Atlas shoulder cause he was scared and full of self doubt.
Frazier was always confident and loved battle.
Tyson is more gifted no doubt. Joe takes his heart and breaks his will just like Holy did.

 

Terrible matchup for Joe--possibly the worst imaginable. He wouldn't last long enough for his heart or stamina to help him. Small, straight ahead, slow-starter with poor defense gets blasted out early by stronger, faster, Tasmanian devil starter with vastly superior head movement and combinations.

 

You don't think that Tyson at the height of his powers could beat Jerry Quarry, Buster Mathis, Jimmy Ellis, Ron Stander, Dave Zyglewic, manuel Ramos, Terry Daniels or a comeback Ali? Well I think he could.. And I'd also wager that he'd do better against Foreman than Joe would.

See the above.

Actually we were both wrong. He was 29.. And I'm well aware of the fact that he was a 42-1 underdog as I watched the fight live back in 90. And the betting ods didn't factor into the equation that Tyson was not being managed the way he had been for years prior. Using a condom full of water to reduce swelling was one of many indications of that. And No.. Douglas was no like Ali.. James had an upper cut that Ali didn't have which had a lot to do with the damage Mike was sustaining.. Douglas was also a bigger and possibly harder hitting man and unlike Muhammad wasn't inactive for the better part of half a decade.

Nice selective choosing their fella.. How about if we do something like this

Tyson's showings against Spinks > Frazier's showing's against Foreman? In fact lets do it that way as it reflects what BOTH fighters looked like at their best rather than just one of them.

That whole comment was drivel.. Apparently you've never seen some of the shots that Tyson took from men like Smith, Ruddock, Tucker or Bruno... Shots that some of which would have sent Joe to the canvas.

No.. It wasn't the same Ali.. It took a number of fights to get the rust off, and the fact that he beat Joe TWICE after their first meeting despite being the older of the two was evidence of that.

Frazier was able to show "heart" against Ali because he was facing a past prime fighter who didn't have the punching power to put him in a ring side seat. There's a reason why Joe was Steered away from big hitters... Tyson wasn't.. And this differentiation that you're trying to make between heart and chin is just laughable and an obvious attempt at trying to spin things in your favor when it was clear as day that the man didn't just " back down" when hit with big shots..

Tyson didn't get up " over and over again" because by the time he finally went down he had already taken a colossal shlt beating over many rounds.. Joe was knocked on his butt before fights even got heated up.. THAT'S why he kept getting up..

Do you really think this helps your argument?

Bro you're not seriously trying to build up Ellis and Bonavena as being big punchers are you? That would be bad. Bruno, Ruddock and Smith were all harder punchers than any of the guys you mentioned.

 

Yes he COULD have beaten Frazier,if he'd managed to have pounced on Joe straight away and nailed him. Tyson was quite capable of doing this.

If,however,Frazier survives the first five rounds or so he turns the fught around and puts plenty of hurt on Tyson. If it becomes a war of attrition then I know which man my money will go on.